Echecrates. Were you yourself,
Phaedo, in the prison with Socrates on the day when he drank the poison?
Phaedo. Yes, Echecrates, I
was.
Ech. I wish that you would
tell me about his death. What did he say in his last hours? We were informed
that he died by taking poison, but no one knew anything more; for no Phliasian
ever goes to Athens now, and a long time has elapsed since any Athenian
found his way to Phlius, and therefore we had no clear account.
Phaed. Did you not hear of
the proceedings at the trial?
Ech. Yes; someone told us about
the trial, and we could not understand why, having been condemned, he
was put to death, as appeared, not at the time, but long afterwards. What
was the reason of this?
Phaed. An accident, Echecrates.
The reason was that the stern of the ship which the Athenians send to
Delos happened to have been crowned on the day before he was tried.
Ech. What is this ship?
Phaed. This is the ship in
which, as the Athenians say, Theseus went to Crete when he took with him
the fourteen youths, and was the saviour of them and of himself. And they
were said to have vowed to Apollo at the time, that if they were saved
they would make an annual pilgrimage to Delos. Now this custom still continues,
and the whole period of the voyage to and from Delos, beginning when the
priest of Apollo crowns the stern of the ship, is a holy season, during
which the city is not allowed to be polluted by public executions; and
often, when the vessel is detained by adverse winds, there may be a very
considerable delay. As I was saying, the ship was crowned on the day before
the trial, and this was the reason why Socrates lay in prison and was
not put to death until long after he was condemned.
Ech. What was the manner of
his death, Phaedo? What was said or done? And which of his friends had
he with him? Or were they not allowed by the authorities to be present?
And did he die alone?
Phaed. No; there were several
of his friends with him.
Ech. If you have nothing to
do, I wish that you would tell me what passed, as exactly as you can.
Phaed. I have nothing to do,
and will try to gratify your wish. For to me, too, there is no greater
pleasure than to have Socrates brought to my recollection, whether I speak
myself or hear another speak of him.
Ech. You will have listeners
who are of the same mind with you, and I hope that you will be as exact
as you can.
Phaed. I remember the strange
feeling which came over me at being with him. For I could hardly believe
that I was present at the death of a friend, and therefore I did not pity
him, Echecrates; his mien and his language were so noble and fearless
in the hour of death that to me he appeared blessed. I thought that in
going to the other world he could not be without a divine call, and that
he would be happy, if any man ever was, when he arrived there, and therefore
I did not pity him as might seem natural at such a time. But neither could
I feel the pleasure which I usually felt in philosophical discourse (for
philosophy was the theme of which we spoke). I was pleased, and I was
also pained, because I knew that he was soon to die, and this strange
mixture of feeling was shared by us all; we were laughing and weeping
by turns, especially the excitable Apollodorus-you know the sort of man?
Ech. Yes.
Phaed. He was quite overcome;
and I myself and all of us were greatly moved.
Ech. Who were present?
Phaed. Of native Athenians
there were, besides Apollodorus, Critobulus and his father Crito, Hermogenes,
Epigenes, Aeschines, and Antisthenes; likewise Ctesippus of the deme of
Paeania, Menexenus, and some others; but Plato, if I am not mistaken,
was ill.
Ech. Were there any strangers?
Phaed. Yes, there were; Simmias
the Theban, and Cebes, and Phaedondes; Euclid and Terpison, who came from
Megara.
Ech. And was Aristippus there,
and Cleombrotus?
Phaed. No, they were said to
be in Aegina.
Ech. Anyone else?
Phaed. I think that these were
about all.
Ech. And what was the discourse
of which you spoke?
Phaed. I will begin at the
beginning, and endeavor to repeat the entire conversation. You must understand
that we had been previously in the habit of assembling early in the morning
at the court in which the trial was held, and which is not far from the
prison. There we remained talking with one another until the opening of
the prison doors (for they were not opened very early), and then went
in and generally passed the day with Socrates. On the last morning the
meeting was earlier than usual; this was owing to our having heard on
the previous evening that the sacred ship had arrived from Delos, and
therefore we agreed to meet very early at the accustomed place. On our
going to the prison, the jailer who answered the door, instead of admitting
us, came out and bade us wait and he would call us. "For the Eleven,"
he said, "are now with Socrates; they are taking off his chains, and giving
orders that he is to die to-day." He soon returned and said that we might
come in. On entering we found Socrates just released from chains, and
Xanthippe, whom you know, sitting by him, and holding his child in her
arms. When she saw us she uttered a cry and said, as women will: "O Socrates,
this is the last time that either you will converse with your friends,
or they with you." Socrates turned to Crito and said: "Crito, let someone
take her home." Some of Crito's people accordingly led her away, crying
out and beating herself. And when she was gone, Socrates, sitting up on
the couch, began to bend and rub his leg, saying, as he rubbed: "How singular
is the thing called pleasure, and how curiously related to pain, which
might be thought to be the opposite of it; for they never come to a man
together, and yet he who pursues either of them is generally compelled
to take the other. They are two, and yet they grow together out of one
head or stem; and I cannot help thinking that if Aesop had noticed them,
he would have made a fable about God trying to reconcile their strife,
and when he could not, he fastened their heads together; and this is the
reason why when one comes the other follows, as I find in my own case
pleasure comes following after the pain in my leg, which was caused by
the chain."
Upon this Cebes said: I am
very glad indeed, Socrates, that you mentioned the name of Aesop. For
that reminds me of a question which has been asked by others, and was
asked of me only the day before yesterday by Evenus the poet, and as he
will be sure to ask again, you may as well tell me what I should say to
him, if you would like him to have an answer. He wanted to know why you
who never before wrote a line of poetry, now that you are in prison are
putting Aesop into verse, and also composing that hymn in honor of Apollo.
Tell him, Cebes, he replied,
that I had no idea of rivalling him or his poems; which is the truth,
for I knew that I could not do that. But I wanted to see whether I could
purge away a scruple which I felt about certain dreams. In the course
of my life I have often had intimations in dreams "that I should make
music." The same dream came to me sometimes in one form, and sometimes
in another, but always saying the same or nearly the same words: Make
and cultivate music, said the dream. And hitherto I had imagined that
this was only intended to exhort and encourage me in the study of philosophy,
which has always been the pursuit of my life, and is the noblest and best
of music. The dream was bidding me to do what I was already doing, in
the same way that the competitor in a race is bidden by the spectators
to run when he is already running. But I was not certain of this, as the
dream might have meant music in the popular sense of the word, and being
under sentence of death, and the festival giving me a respite, I thought
that I should be safer if I satisfied the scruple, and, in obedience to
the dream, composed a few verses before I departed. And first I made a
hymn in honor of the god of the festival, and then considering that a
poet, if he is really to be a poet or maker, should not only put words
together but make stories, and as I have no invention, I took some fables
of esop, which I had ready at hand and knew, and turned them into verse.
Tell Evenus this, and bid him be of good cheer; that I would have him
come after me if he be a wise man, and not tarry; and that to-day I am
likely to be going, for the Athenians say that I must.
Simmias said: What a message
for such a man! having been a frequent companion of his, I should say
that, as far as I know him, he will never take your advice unless he is
obliged.
Why, said Socrates,-is not
Evenus a philosopher? I think that he is, said Simmias. Then he, or any
man who has the spirit of philosophy, will be willing to die, though he
will not take his own life, for that is held not to be right.
Here he changed his position,
and put his legs off the couch on to the ground, and during the rest of
the conversation he remained sitting.
Why do you say, inquired Cebes,
that a man ought not to take his own life, but that the philosopher will
be ready to follow the dying?
Socrates replied: And have
you, Cebes and Simmias, who are acquainted with Philolaus, never heard
him speak of this?
I never understood him, Socrates.
My words, too, are only an echo; but I am very willing to say what I have
heard: and indeed, as I am going to another place, I ought to be thinking
and talking of the nature of the pilgrimage which I am about to make.
What can I do better in the interval between this and the setting of the
sun?
Then tell me, Socrates, why
is suicide held not to be right? as I have certainly heard Philolaus affirm
when he was staying with us at Thebes: and there are others who say the
same, although none of them has ever made me understand him.
But do your best, replied Socrates,
and the day may come when you will understand. I suppose that you wonder
why, as most things which are evil may be accidentally good, this is to
be the only exception (for may not death, too, be better than life in
some cases?), and why, when a man is better dead, he is not permitted
to be his own benefactor, but must wait for the hand of another.
By Jupiter! yes, indeed, said
Cebes, laughing, and speaking in his native Doric.
I admit the appearance of inconsistency,
replied Socrates, but there may not be any real inconsistency after all
in this. There is a doctrine uttered in secret that man is a prisoner
who has no right to open the door of his prison and run away; this is
a great mystery which I do not quite understand. Yet I, too, believe that
the gods are our guardians, and that we are a possession of theirs. Do
you not agree?
Yes, I agree to that, said
Cebes. And if one of your own possessions, an ox or an ass, for example
took the liberty of putting himself out of the way when you had given
no intimation of your wish that he should die, would you not be angry
with him, and would you not punish him if you could?
Certainly, replied Cebes. Then
there may be reason in saying that a man should wait, and not take his
own life until God summons him, as he is now summoning me.
Yes, Socrates, said Cebes,
there is surely reason in that. And yet how can you reconcile this seemingly
true belief that God is our guardian and we his possessions, with that
willingness to die which we were attributing to the philosopher? That
the wisest of men should be willing to leave this service in which they
are ruled by the gods who are the best of rulers is not reasonable, for
surely no wise man thinks that when set at liberty he can take better
care of himself than the gods take of him. A fool may perhaps think this-he
may argue that he had better run away from his master, not considering
that his duty is to remain to the end, and not to run away from the good,
and that there is no sense in his running away. But the wise man will
want to be ever with him who is better than himself. Now this, Socrates,
is the reverse of what was just now said; for upon this view the wise
man should sorrow and the fool rejoice at passing out of life.
The earnestness of Cebes seemed
to please Socrates. Here, said he, turning to us, is a man who is always
inquiring, and is not to be convinced all in a moment, nor by every argument.
And in this case, added Simmias,
his objection does appear to me to have some force. For what can be the
meaning of a truly wise man wanting to fly away and lightly leave a master
who is better than himself? And I rather imagine that Cebes is referring
to you; he thinks that you are too ready to leave us, and too ready to
leave the gods who, as you acknowledge, are our good rulers.
Yes, replied Socrates; there
is reason in that. And this indictment you think that I ought to answer
as if I were in court?
That is what we should like,
said Simmias. Then I must try to make a better impression upon you than
I did when defending myself before the judges. For I am quite ready to
acknowledge, Simmias and Cebes, that I ought to be grieved at death, if
I were not persuaded that I am going to other gods who are wise and good
(of this I am as certain as I can be of anything of the sort) and to men
departed (though I am not so certain of this), who are better than those
whom I leave behind; and therefore I do not grieve as I might have done,
for I have good hope that there is yet something remaining for the dead,
and, as has been said of old, some far better thing for the good than
for the evil.
But do you mean to take away
your thoughts with you, Socrates? said Simmias. Will you not communicate
them to us?-the benefit is one in which we too may hope to share. Moreover,
if you succeed in convincing us, that will be an answer to the charge
against yourself.
I will do my best, replied
Socrates. But you must first let me hear what Crito wants; he was going
to say something to me.
Only this, Socrates, replied
Crito: the attendant who is to give you the poison has been telling me
that you are not to talk much, and he wants me to let you know this; for
that by talking heat is increased, and this interferes with the action
of the poison; those who excite themselves are sometimes obliged to drink
the poison two or three times.
Then, said Socrates, let him
mind his business and be prepared to give the poison two or three times,
if necessary; that is all.
I was almost certain that you
would say that, replied Crito; but I was obliged to satisfy him.
Never mind him, he said. And
now I will make answer to you, O my judges, and show that he who has lived
as a true philosopher has reason to be of good cheer when he is about
to die, and that after death he may hope to receive the greatest good
in the other world. And how this may be, Simmias and Cebes, I will endeavor
to explain. For I deem that the true disciple of philosophy is likely
to be misunderstood by other men; they do not perceive that he is ever
pursuing death and dying; and if this is true, why, having had the desire
of death all his life long, should he repine at the arrival of that which
he has been always pursuing and desiring?
Simmias laughed and said: Though
not in a laughing humor, I swear that I cannot help laughing when I think
what the wicked world will say when they hear this. They will say that
this is very true, and our people at home will agree with them in saying
that the life which philosophers desire is truly death, and that they
have found them out to be deserving of the death which they desire.
And they are right, Simmias,
in saying this, with the exception of the words "They have found them
out"; for they have not found out what is the nature of this death which
the true philosopher desires, or how he deserves or desires death. But
let us leave them and have a word with ourselves: Do we believe that there
is such a thing as death?
To be sure, replied Simmias.
And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead
is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself,
and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul-that
is death?
Exactly: that and nothing else,
he replied. And what do you say of another question, my friend, about
which I should like to have your opinion, and the answer to which will
probably throw light on our present inquiry: Do you think that the philosopher
ought to care about the pleasures-if they are to be called pleasures-of
eating and drinking?
Certainly not, answered Simmias.
And what do you say of the pleasures of love-should he care about them?
By no means. And will he think
much of the other ways of indulging the body-for example, the acquisition
of costly raiment, or sandals, or other adornments of the body? Instead
of caring about them, does he not rather despise anything more than nature
needs? What do you say?
I should say the true philosopher
would despise them. Would you not say that he is entirely concerned with
the soul and not with the body? He would like, as far as he can, to be
quit of the body and turn to the soul.
That is true. In matters of
this sort philosophers, above all other men, may be observed in every
sort of way to dissever the soul from the body.
That is true. Whereas, Simmias,
the rest of the world are of opinion that a life which has no bodily pleasures
and no part in them is not worth having; but that he who thinks nothing
of bodily pleasures is almost as though he were dead.
That is quite true. What again
shall we say of the actual acquirement of knowledge?-is the body, if invited
to share in the inquiry, a hinderer or a helper? I mean to say, have sight
and hearing any truth in them? Are they not, as the poets are always telling
us, inaccurate witnesses? and yet, if even they are inaccurate and indistinct,
what is to be said of the other senses?-for you will allow that they are
the best of them?
Certainly, he replied. Then
when does the soul attain truth?-for in attempting to consider anything
in company with the body she is obviously deceived.
Yes, that is true. Then must
not existence be revealed to her in thought, if at all?
Yes. And thought is best when
the mind is gathered into herself and none of these things trouble her-neither
sounds nor sights nor pain nor any pleasure-when she has as little as
possible to do with the body, and has no bodily sense or feeling, but
is aspiring after being?
That is true. And in this the
philosopher dishonors the body; his soul runs away from the body and desires
to be alone and by herself?
That is true. Well, but there
is another thing, Simmias: Is there or is there not an absolute justice?
Assuredly there is. And an
absolute beauty and absolute good? Of course. But did you ever behold
any of them with your eyes? Certainly not. Or did you ever reach them
with any other bodily sense? (and I speak not of these alone, but of absolute
greatness, and health, and strength, and of the essence or true nature
of everything). Has the reality of them ever been perceived by you through
the bodily organs? or rather, is not the nearest approach to the knowledge
of their several natures made by him who so orders his intellectual vision
as to have the most exact conception of the essence of that which he considers?
Certainly. And he attains to
the knowledge of them in their highest purity who goes to each of them
with the mind alone, not allowing when in the act of thought the intrusion
or introduction of sight or any other sense in the company of reason,
but with the very light of the mind in her clearness penetrates into the
very fight of truth in each; he has got rid, as far as he can, of eyes
and ears and of the whole body, which he conceives of only as a disturbing
element, hindering the soul from the acquisition of knowledge when in
company with her-is not this the sort of man who, if ever man did, is
likely to attain the knowledge of existence?
There is admirable truth in
that, Socrates, replied Simmias.
And when they consider all
this, must not true philosophers make a reflection, of which they will
speak to one another in such words as these: We have found, they will
say, a path of speculation which seems to bring us and the argument to
the conclusion that while we are in the body, and while the soul is mingled
with this mass of evil, our desire will not be satisfied, and our desire
is of the truth. For the body is a source of endless trouble to us by
reason of the mere requirement of food; and also is liable to diseases
which overtake and impede us in the search after truth: and by filling
us so full of loves, and lusts, and fears, and fancies, and idols, and
every sort of folly, prevents our ever having, as people say, so much
as a thought. For whence come wars, and fightings, and factions? whence
but from the body and the lusts of the body? For wars are occasioned by
the love of money, and money has to be acquired for the sake and in the
service of the body; and in consequence of all these things the time which
ought to be given to philosophy is lost. Moreover, if there is time and
an inclination toward philosophy, yet the body introduces a turmoil and
confusion and fear into the course of speculation, and hinders us from
seeing the truth: and all experience shows that if we would have pure
knowledge of anything we must be quit of the body, and the soul in herself
must behold all things in themselves: then I suppose that we shall attain
that which we desire, and of which we say that we are lovers, and that
is wisdom, not while we live, but after death, as the argument shows;
for if while in company with the body the soul cannot have pure knowledge,
one of two things seems to follow-either knowledge is not to be attained
at all, or, if at all, after death. For then, and not till then, the soul
will be in herself alone and without the body. In this present life, I
reckon that we make the nearest approach to knowledge when we have the
least possible concern or interest in the body, and are not saturated
with the bodily nature, but remain pure until the hour when God himself
is pleased to release us. And then the foolishness of the body will be
cleared away and we shall be pure and hold converse with other pure souls,
and know of ourselves the clear light everywhere; and this is surely the
light of truth. For no impure thing is allowed to approach the pure. These
are the sort of words, Simmias, which the true lovers of wisdom cannot
help saying to one another, and thinking. You will agree with me in that?
Certainly, Socrates. But if
this is true, O my friend, then there is great hope that, going whither
I go, I shall there be satisfied with that which has been the chief concern
of you and me in our past lives. And now that the hour of departure is
appointed to me, this is the hope with which I depart, and not I only,
but every man who believes that he has his mind purified.
Certainly, replied Simmias.
And what is purification but the separation of the soul from the body,
as I was saying before; the habit of the soul gathering and collecting
herself into herself, out of all the courses of the body; the dwelling
in her own place alone, as in another life, so also in this, as far as
she can; the release of the soul from the chains of the body?
Very true, he said. And what
is that which is termed death, but this very separation and release of
the soul from the body?
To be sure, he said. And the
true philosophers, and they only, study and are eager to release the soul.
Is not the separation and release of the soul from the body their especial
study?
That is true. And as I was
saying at first, there would be a ridiculous contradiction in men studying
to live as nearly as they can in a state of death, and yet repining when
death comes.
Certainly. Then, Simmias, as
the true philosophers are ever studying death, to them, of all men, death
is the least terrible. Look at the matter in this way: how inconsistent
of them to have been always enemies of the body, and wanting to have the
soul alone, and when this is granted to them, to be trembling and repining;
instead of rejoicing at their departing to that place where, when they
arrive, they hope to gain that which in life they loved (and this was
wisdom), and at the same time to be rid of the company of their enemy.
Many a man has been willing to go to the world below in the hope of seeing
there an earthly love, or wife, or son, and conversing with them. And
will he who is a true lover of wisdom, and is persuaded in like manner
that only in the world below he can worthily enjoy her, still repine at
death? Will he not depart with joy? Surely he will, my friend, if he be
a true philosopher. For he will have a firm conviction that there only,
and nowhere else, he can find wisdom in her purity. And if this be true,
he would be very absurd, as I was saying, if he were to fear death.
He would, indeed, replied Simmias.
And when you see a man who is repining at the approach of death, is not
his reluctance a sufficient proof that he is not a lover of wisdom, but
a lover of the body, and probably at the same time a lover of either money
or power, or both?
That is very true, he replied.
There is a virtue, Simmias, which is named courage. Is not that a special
attribute of the philosopher?
Certainly. Again, there is
temperance. Is not the calm, and control, and disdain of the passions
which even the many call temperance, a quality belonging only to those
who despise the body and live in philosophy?
That is not to be denied. For
the courage and temperance of other men, if you will consider them, are
really a contradiction.
How is that, Socrates? Well,
he said, you are aware that death is regarded by men in general as a great
evil.
That is true, he said. And
do not courageous men endure death because they are afraid of yet greater
evils?
That is true. Then all but
the philosophers are courageous only from fear, and because they are afraid;
and yet that a man should be courageous from fear, and because he is a
coward, is surely a strange thing.
Very true. And are not the
temperate exactly in the same case? They are temperate because they are
intemperate-which may seem to be a contradiction, but is nevertheless
the sort of thing which happens with this foolish temperance. For there
are pleasures which they must have, and are afraid of losing; and therefore
they abstain from one class of pleasures because they are overcome by
another: and whereas intemperance is defined as "being under the dominion
of pleasure," they overcome only because they are overcome by pleasure.
And that is what I mean by saying that they are temperate through intemperance.
Question: What does
Socrates say about how a philosopher should think about death?
That appears to be true. Yet
the exchange of one fear or pleasure or pain for another fear or pleasure
or pain, which are measured like coins, the greater with the less, is
not the exchange of virtue. O my dear Simmias, is there not one true coin
for which all things ought to exchange?-and that is wisdom; and only in
exchange for this, and in company with this, is anything truly bought
or sold, whether courage or temperance or justice. And is not all true
virtue the companion of wisdom, no matter what fears or pleasures or other
similar goods or evils may or may not attend her? But the virtue which
is made up of these goods, when they are severed from wisdom and exchanged
with one another, is a shadow of virtue only, nor is there any freedom
or health or truth in her; but in the true exchange there is a purging
away of all these things, and temperance, and justice, and courage, and
wisdom herself are a purgation of them. And I conceive that the founders
of the mysteries had a real meaning and were not mere triflers when they
intimated in a figure long ago that he who passes unsanctified and uninitiated
into the world below will live in a slough, but that he who arrives there
after initiation and purification will dwell with the gods. For "many,"
as they say in the mysteries, "are the thyrsus bearers, but few are the
mystics,"-meaning, as I interpret the words, the true philosophers. In
the number of whom I have been seeking, according to my ability, to find
a place during my whole life; whether I have sought in a right way or
not, and whether I have succeeded or not, I shall truly know in a little
while, if God will, when I myself arrive in the other world: that is my
belief. And now, Simmias and Cebes, I have answered those who charge me
with not grieving or repining at parting from you and my masters in this
world; and I am right in not repining, for I believe that I shall find
other masters and friends who are as good in the world below. But all
men cannot believe this, and I shall be glad if my words have any more
success with you than with the judges of the Athenians.
Cebes answered: I agree, Socrates,
in the greater part of what you say. But in what relates to the soul,
men are apt to be incredulous; they fear that when she leaves the body
her place may be nowhere, and that on the very day of death she may be
destroyed and perish-immediately on her release from the body, issuing
forth like smoke or air and vanishing away into nothingness. For if she
could only hold together and be herself after she was released from the
evils of the body, there would be good reason to hope, Socrates, that
what you say is true. But much persuasion and many arguments are required
in order to prove that when the man is dead the soul yet exists, and has
any force of intelligence.
True, Cebes, said Socrates;
and shall I suggest that we talk a little of the probabilities of these
things?
I am sure, said Cebes, that
I should really like to know your opinion about them.
I reckon, said Socrates, that
no one who heard me now, not even if he were one of my old enemies, the
comic poets, could accuse me of idle talking about matters in which I
have no concern. Let us, then, if you please, proceed with the inquiry.
Whether the souls of men after
death are or are not in the world below, is a question which may be argued
in this manner: The ancient doctrine of which I have been speaking affirms
that they go from this into the other world, and return hither, and are
born from the dead. Now if this be true, and the living come from the
dead, then our souls must be in the other world, for if not, how could
they be born again? And this would be conclusive, if there were any real
evidence that the living are only born from the dead; but if there is
no evidence of this, then other arguments will have to be adduced.
That is very true, replied
Cebes. Then let us consider this question, not in relation to man only,
but in relation to animals generally, and to plants, and to everything
of which there is generation, and the proof will be easier. Are not all
things which have opposites generated out of their opposites? I mean such
things as good and evil, just and unjust-and there are innumerable other
opposites which are generated out of opposites. And I want to show that
this holds universally of all opposites; I mean to say, for example, that
anything which becomes greater must become greater after being less.
True. And that which becomes
less must have been once greater and then become less.
Yes. And the weaker is generated
from the stronger, and the swifter from the slower.
Very true. And the worse is
from the better, and the more just is from the more unjust.
Of course. And is this true
of all opposites? and are we convinced that all of them are generated
out of opposites?
Yes. And in this universal
opposition of all things, are there not also two intermediate processes
which are ever going on, from one to the other, and back again; where
there is a greater and a less there is also an intermediate process of
increase and diminution, and that which grows is said to wax, and that
which decays to wane?
Yes, he said. And there are
many other processes, such as division and composition, cooling and heating,
which equally involve a passage into and out of one another. And this
holds of all opposites, even though not always expressed in words-they
are generated out of one another, and there is a passing or process from
one to the other of them?
Very true, he replied. Well,
and is there not an opposite of life, as sleep is the opposite of waking?
True, he said. And what is
that? Death, he answered. And these, then, are generated, if they are
opposites, the one from the other, and have there their two intermediate
processes also?
Of course. Now, said Socrates,
I will analyze one of the two pairs of opposites which I have mentioned
to you, and also its intermediate processes, and you shall analyze the
other to me. The state of sleep is opposed to the state of waking, and
out of sleeping waking is generated, and out of waking, sleeping, and
the process of generation is in the one case falling asleep, and in the
other waking up. Are you agreed about that?
Quite agreed. Then suppose
that you analyze life and death to me in the same manner. Is not death
opposed to life?
Yes. And they are generated
one from the other? Yes. What is generated from life? Death. And what
from death? I can only say in answer-life. Then the living, whether things
or persons, Cebes, are generated from the dead?
That is clear, he replied.
Then the inference is, that our souls are in the world below?
That is true. And one of the
two processes or generations is visible-for surely the act of dying is
visible?
Surely, he said. And may not
the other be inferred as the complement of nature, who is not to be supposed
to go on one leg only? And if not, a corresponding process of generation
in death must also be assigned to her?
Certainly, he replied. And
what is that process? Revival. And revival, if there be such a thing,
is the birth of the dead into the world of the living?
Quite true. Then there is a
new way in which we arrive at the inference that the living come from
the dead, just as the dead come from the living; and if this is true,
then the souls of the dead must be in some place out of which they come
again. And this, as I think, has been satisfactorily proved.
Yes, Socrates, he said; all
this seems to flow necessarily out of our previous admissions.
And that these admissions are
not unfair, Cebes, he said, may be shown, as I think, in this way: If
generation were in a straight line only, and there were no compensation
or circle in nature, no turn or return into one another, then you know
that all things would at last have the same form and pass into the same
state, and there would be no more generation of them.
What do you mean? he said.
A simple thing enough, which I will illustrate by the case of sleep, he
replied. You know that if there were no compensation of sleeping and waking,
the story of the sleeping Endymion would in the end have no meaning, because
all other things would be asleep, too, and he would not be thought of.
Or if there were composition only, and no division of substances, then
the chaos of Anaxagoras would come again. And in like manner, my dear
Cebes, if all things which partook of life were to die, and after they
were dead remained in the form of death, and did not come to life again,
all would at last die, and nothing would be alive-how could this be otherwise?
For if the living spring from any others who are not the dead, and they
die, must not all things at last be swallowed up in death?
There is no escape from that,
Socrates, said Cebes; and I think that what you say is entirely true.
Yes, he said, Cebes, I entirely
think so, too; and we are not walking in a vain imagination; but I am
confident in the belief that there truly is such a thing as living again,
and that the living spring from the dead, and that the souls of the dead
are in existence, and that the good souls have a better portion than the
evil.
Cebes added: Your favorite
doctrine, Socrates, that knowledge is simply recollection, if true, also
necessarily implies a previous time in which we learned that which we
now recollect. But this would be impossible unless our soul was in some
place before existing in the human form; here, then, is another argument
of the soul's immortality.
But tell me, Cebes, said Simmias,
interposing, what proofs are given of this doctrine of recollection? I
am not very sure at this moment that I remember them.
One excellent proof, said Cebes,
is afforded by questions. If you put a question to a person in a right
way, he will give a true answer of himself; but how could he do this unless
there were knowledge and right reason already in him? And this is most
clearly shown when he is taken to a diagram or to anything of that sort.
But if, said Socrates, you
are still incredulous, Simmias, I would ask you whether you may not agree
with me when you look at the matter in another way; I mean, if you are
still incredulous as to whether knowledge is recollection.
Incredulous, I am not, said
Simmias; but I want to have this doctrine of recollection brought to my
own recollection, and, from what Cebes has said, I am beginning to recollect
and be convinced; but I should still like to hear what more you have to
say.
This is what I would say, he
replied: We should agree, if I am not mistaken, that what a man recollects
he must have known at some previous time.
Very true. And what is the
nature of this recollection? And, in asking this, I mean to ask whether,
when a person has already seen or heard or in any way perceived anything,
and he knows not only that, but something else of which he has not the
same, but another knowledge, we may not fairly say that he recollects
that which comes into his mind. Are we agreed about that?
What do you mean? I mean what
I may illustrate by the following instance: The knowledge of a lyre is
not the same as the knowledge of a man?
True. And yet what is the feeling
of lovers when they recognize a lyre, or a garment, or anything else which
the beloved has been in the habit of using? Do not they, from knowing
the lyre, form in the mind's eye an image of the youth to whom the lyre
belongs? And this is recollection: and in the same way anyone who sees
Simmias may remember Cebes; and there are endless other things of the
same nature.
Yes, indeed, there are-endless,
replied Simmias. And this sort of thing, he said, is recollection, and
is most commonly a process of recovering that which has been forgotten
through time and inattention.
Very true, he said. Well; and
may you not also from seeing the picture of a horse or a lyre remember
a man? and from the picture of Simmias, you may be led to remember Cebes?
True. Or you may also be led
to the recollection of Simmias himself?
True, he said. And in all these
cases, the recollection may be derived from things either like or unlike?
That is true. And when the
recollection is derived from like things, then there is sure to be another
question, which is, whether the likeness of that which is recollected
is in any way defective or not.
Very true, he said. And shall
we proceed a step further, and affirm that there is such a thing as equality,
not of wood with wood, or of stone with stone, but that, over and above
this, there is equality in the abstract? Shall we affirm this?
Affirm, yes, and swear to it,
replied Simmias, with all the confidence in life.
And do we know the nature of
this abstract essence? To be sure, he said. And whence did we obtain this
knowledge? Did we not see equalities of material things, such as pieces
of wood and stones, and gather from them the idea of an equality which
is different from them?-you will admit that? Or look at the matter again
in this way: Do not the same pieces of wood or stone appear at one time
equal, and at another time unequal?
That is certain. But are real
equals ever unequal? or is the idea of equality ever inequality?
That surely was never yet known,
Socrates. Then these (so-called) equals are not the same with the idea
of equality?
I should say, clearly not,
Socrates. And yet from these equals, although differing from the idea
of equality, you conceived and attained that idea?
Very true, he said. Which might
be like, or might be unlike them? Yes. But that makes no difference; whenever
from seeing one thing you conceived another, whether like or unlike, there
must surely have been an act of recollection?
Very true. But what would you
say of equal portions of wood and stone, or other material equals? and
what is the impression produced by them? Are they equals in the same sense
as absolute equality? or do they fall short of this in a measure?
Yes, he said, in a very great
measure, too. And must we not allow that when I or anyone look at any
object, and perceive that the object aims at being some other thing, but
falls short of, and cannot attain to it-he who makes this observation
must have had previous knowledge of that to which, as he says, the other,
although similar, was inferior?
Certainly. And has not this
been our case in the matter of equals and of absolute equality?
Precisely. Then we must have
known absolute equality previously to the time when we first saw the material
equals, and reflected that all these apparent equals aim at this absolute
equality, but fall short of it?
That is true. And we recognize
also that this absolute equality has only been known, and can only be
known, through the medium of sight or touch, or of some other sense. And
this I would affirm of all such conceptions.
Yes, Socrates, as far as the
argument is concerned, one of them is the same as the other.
And from the senses, then,
is derived the knowledge that all sensible things aim at an idea of equality
of which they fall short-is not that true?
Yes. Then before we began to
see or hear or perceive in any way, we must have had a knowledge of absolute
equality, or we could not have referred to that the equals which are derived
from the senses-for to that they all aspire, and of that they fall short?
That, Socrates, is certainly
to be inferred from the previous statements.
And did we not see and hear
and acquire our other senses as soon as we were born?
Certainly. Then we must have
acquired the knowledge of the ideal equal at some time previous to this?
Yes. That is to say, before
we were born, I suppose? True. And if we acquired this knowledge before
we were born, and were born having it, then we also knew before we were
born and at the instant of birth not only equal or the greater or the
less, but all other ideas; for we are not speaking only of equality absolute,
but of beauty, goodness, justice, holiness, and all which we stamp with
the name of essence in the dialectical process, when we ask and answer
questions. Of all this we may certainly affirm that we acquired the knowledge
before birth?
That is true. But if, after
having acquired, we have not forgotten that which we acquired, then we
must always have been born with knowledge, and shall always continue to
know as long as life lasts-for knowing is the acquiring and retaining
knowledge and not forgetting. Is not forgetting, Simmias, just the losing
of knowledge?
Quite true, Socrates. But if
the knowledge which we acquired before birth was lost by us at birth,
and afterwards by the use of the senses we recovered that which we previously
knew, will not that which we call learning be a process of recovering
our knowledge, and may not this be rightly termed recollection by us?
Very true. For this is clear,
that when we perceived something, either by the help of sight or hearing,
or some other sense, there was no difficulty in receiving from this a
conception of some other thing like or unlike which had been forgotten
and which was associated with this; and therefore, as I was saying, one
of two alternatives follows: either we had this knowledge at birth, and
continued to know through life; or, after birth, those who are said to
learn only remember, and learning is recollection only.
Yes, that is quite true, Socrates.
And which alternative, Simmias, do you prefer? Had we the knowledge at
our birth, or did we remember afterwards the things which we knew previously
to our birth?
I cannot decide at the moment.
At any rate you can decide whether he who has knowledge ought or ought
not to be able to give a reason for what he knows.
Certainly, he ought. But do
you think that every man is able to give a reason about these very matters
of which we are speaking?
I wish that they could, Socrates,
but I greatly fear that to-morrow at this time there will be no one able
to give a reason worth having.
Then you are not of opinion,
Simmias, that all men know these things?
Certainly not. Then they are
in process of recollecting that which they learned before.
Certainly. But when did our
souls acquire this knowledge?-not since we were born as men?
Certainly not. And therefore
previously? Yes. Then, Simmias, our souls must have existed before they
were in the form of man-without bodies, and must have had intelligence.
Unless indeed you suppose,
Socrates, that these notions were given us at the moment of birth; for
this is the only time that remains.
Yes, my friend, but when did
we lose them? for they are not in us when we are born-that is admitted.
Did we lose them at the moment of receiving them, or at some other time?
No, Socrates, I perceive that
I was unconsciously talking nonsense.
Then may we not say, Simmias,
that if, as we are always repeating, there is an absolute beauty, and
goodness, and essence in general, and to this, which is now discovered
to be a previous condition of our being, we refer all our sensations,
and with this compare them-assuming this to have a prior existence, then
our souls must have had a prior existence, but if not, there would be
no force in the argument? There can be no doubt that if these absolute
ideas existed before we were born, then our souls must have existed before
we were born, and if not the ideas, then not the souls.
Yes, Socrates; I am convinced
that there is precisely the same necessity for the existence of the soul
before birth, and of the essence of which you are speaking: and the argument
arrives at a result which happily agrees with my own notion. For there
is nothing which to my mind is so evident as that beauty, goodness, and
other notions of which you were just now speaking have a most real and
absolute existence; and I am satisfied with the proof.
Well, but is Cebes equally
satisfied? for I must convince him too.
I think, said Simmias, that
Cebes is satisfied: although he is the most incredulous of mortals, yet
I believe that he is convinced of the existence of the soul before birth.
But that after death the soul will continue to exist is not yet proven
even to my own satisfaction. I cannot get rid of the feeling of the many
to which Cebes was referring-the feeling that when the man dies the soul
may be scattered, and that this may be the end of her. For admitting that
she may be generated and created in some other place, and may have existed
before entering the human body, why after having entered in and gone out
again may she not herself be destroyed and come to an end?
Very true, Simmias, said Cebes;
that our soul existed before we were born was the first half of the argument,
and this appears to have been proven; that the soul will exist after death
as well as before birth is the other half of which the proof is still
wanting, and has to be supplied.
But that proof, Simmias and
Cebes, has been already given, said Socrates, if you put the two arguments
together-I mean this and the former one, in which we admitted that everything
living is born of the dead. For if the soul existed before birth, and
in coming to life and being born can be born only from death and dying,
must she not after death continue to exist, since she has to be born again?
surely the proof which you desire has been already furnished. Still I
suspect that you and Simmias would be glad to probe the argument further;
like children, you are haunted with a fear that when the soul leaves the
body, the wind may really blow her away and scatter her; especially if
a man should happen to die in stormy weather and not when the sky is calm.
Cebes answered with a smile:
Then, Socrates, you must argue us out of our fears-and yet, strictly speaking,
they are not our fears, but there is a child within us to whom death is
a sort of hobgoblin; him too we must persuade not to be afraid when he
is alone with him in the dark.
Socrates said: Let the voice
of the charmer be applied daily until you have charmed him away.
And where shall we find a good
charmer of our fears, Socrates, when you are gone?
Hellas, he replied, is a large
place, Cebes, and has many good men, and there are barbarous races not
a few: seek for him among them all, far and wide, sparing neither pains
nor money; for there is no better way of using your money. And you must
not forget to seek for him among yourselves too; for he is nowhere more
likely to be found.
The search, replied Cebes,
shall certainly be made. And now, if you please, let us return to the
point of the argument at which we digressed.
By all means, replied Socrates;
what else should I please?
Very good, he said. Must we
not, said Socrates, ask ourselves some question of this sort?-What is
that which, as we imagine, is liable to be scattered away, and about which
we fear? and what again is that about which we have no fear? And then
we may proceed to inquire whether that which suffers dispersion is or
is not of the nature of soul-our hopes and fears as to our own souls will
turn upon that.
That is true, he said. Now
the compound or composite may be supposed to be naturally capable of being
dissolved in like manner as of being compounded; but that which is uncompounded,
and that only, must be, if anything is, indissoluble.
Yes; that is what I should
imagine, said Cebes. And the uncompounded may be assumed to be the same
and unchanging, where the compound is always changing and never the same?
That I also think, he said.
Then now let us return to the previous discussion. Is that idea or essence,
which in the dialectical process we define as essence of true existence-whether
essence of equality, beauty, or anything else: are these essences, I say,
liable at times to some degree of change? or are they each of them always
what they are, having the same simple, self-existent and unchanging forms,
and not admitting of variation at all, or in any way, or at any time?
They must be always the same,
Socrates, replied Cebes. And what would you say of the many beautiful-whether
men or horses or garments or any other things which may be called equal
or beautiful-are they all unchanging and the same always, or quite the
reverse? May they not rather be described as almost always changing and
hardly ever the same either with themselves or with one another?
The latter, replied Cebes;
they are always in a state of change.
And these you can touch and
see and perceive with the senses, but the unchanging things you can only
perceive with the mind-they are invisible and are not seen?
That is very true, he said.
Well, then, he added, let us suppose that there are two sorts of existences,
one seen, the other unseen.
Let us suppose them. The seen
is the changing, and the unseen is the unchanging.
That may be also supposed.
And, further, is not one part of us body, and the rest of us soul?
To be sure. And to which class
may we say that the body is more alike and akin?
Clearly to the seen: no one
can doubt that. And is the soul seen or not seen? Not by man, Socrates.
And by "seen" and "not seen" is meant by us that which is or is not visible
to the eye of man?
Yes, to the eye of man. And
what do we say of the soul? is that seen or not seen?
Not seen. Unseen then? Yes.
Then the soul is more like to the unseen, and the body to the seen?
That is most certain, Socrates.
And were we not saying long ago that the soul when using the body as an
instrument of perception, that is to say, when using the sense of sight
or hearing or some other sense (for the meaning of perceiving through
the body is perceiving through the senses)-were we not saying that the
soul too is then dragged by the body into the region of the changeable,
and wanders and is confused; the world spins round her, and she is like
a drunkard when under their influence?
Very true. But when returning
into herself she reflects; then she passes into the realm of purity, and
eternity, and immortality, and unchangeableness, which are her kindred,
and with them she ever lives, when she is by herself and is not let or
hindered; then she ceases from her erring ways, and being in communion
with the unchanging is unchanging. And this state of the soul is called
wisdom?
That is well and truly said,
Socrates, he replied. And to which class is the soul more nearly alike
and akin, as far as may be inferred from this argument, as well as from
the preceding one?
I think, Socrates, that, in
the opinion of everyone who follows the argument, the soul will be infinitely
more like the unchangeable even the most stupid person will not deny that.
And the body is more like the
changing? Yes. Yet once more consider the matter in this light: When the
soul and the body are united, then nature orders the soul to rule and
govern, and the body to obey and serve.
Now which of these two functions
is akin to the divine? and which to the mortal? Does not the divine appear
to you to be that which naturally orders and rules, and the mortal that
which is subject and servant?
True. And which does the soul
resemble? The soul resembles the divine and the body the mortal-there
can be no doubt of that, Socrates.
Then reflect, Cebes: is not
the conclusion of the whole matter this?-that the soul is in the very
likeness of the divine, and immortal, and intelligible, and uniform, and
indissoluble, and unchangeable; and the body is in the very likeness of
the human, and mortal, and unintelligible, and multiform, and dissoluble,
and changeable. Can this, my dear Cebes, be denied?
No, indeed. But if this is
true, then is not the body liable to speedy dissolution?
And is not the soul almost
or altogether indissoluble? Certainly. And do you further observe, that
after a man is dead, the body, which is the visible part of man, and has
a visible framework, which is called a corpse, and which would naturally
be dissolved and decomposed and dissipated, is not dissolved or decomposed
at once, but may remain for a good while, if the constitution be sound
at the time of death, and the season of the year favorable? For the body
when shrunk and embalmed, as is the custom in Egypt, may remain almost
entire through infinite ages; and even in decay, still there are some
portions, such as the bones and ligaments, which are practically indestructible.
You allow that?
Yes. And are we to suppose
that the soul, which is invisible, in passing to the true Hades, which
like her is invisible, and pure, and noble, and on her way to the good
and wise God, whither, if God will, my soul is also soon to go-that the
soul, I repeat, if this be her nature and origin, is blown away and perishes
immediately on quitting the body as the many say? That can never be, dear
Simmias and Cebes. The truth rather is that the soul which is pure at
departing draws after her no bodily taint, having never voluntarily had
connection with the body, which she is ever avoiding, herself gathered
into herself (for such abstraction has been the study of her life). And
what does this mean but that she has been a true disciple of philosophy
and has practised how to die easily? And is not philosophy the practice
of death?
Certainly. That soul, I say,
herself invisible, departs to the invisible world to the divine and immortal
and rational: thither arriving, she lives in bliss and is released from
the error and folly of men, their fears and wild passions and all other
human ills, and forever dwells, as they say of the initiated, in company
with the gods. Is not this true, Cebes?
Yes, said Cebes, beyond a doubt.
But the soul which has been polluted, and is impure at the time of her
departure, and is the companion and servant of the body always, and is
in love with and fascinated by the body and by the desires and pleasures
of the body, until she is led to believe that the truth only exists in
a bodily form, which a man may touch and see and taste and use for the
purposes of his lusts-the soul, I mean, accustomed to hate and fear and
avoid the intellectual principle, which to the bodily eye is dark and
invisible, and can be attained only by philosophy-do you suppose that
such a soul as this will depart pure and unalloyed?
That is impossible, he replied.
She is engrossed by the corporeal, which the continual association and
constant care of the body have made natural to her.
Very true. And this, my friend,
may be conceived to be that heavy, weighty, earthy element of sight by
which such a soul is depressed and dragged down again into the visible
world, because she is afraid of the invisible and of the world below-prowling
about tombs and sepulchres, in the neighborhood of which, as they tell
us, are seen certain ghostly apparitions of souls which have not departed
pure, but are cloyed with sight and therefore visible.
That is very likely, Socrates.
Yes, that is very likely, Cebes; and these must be the souls, not of the
good, but of the evil, who are compelled to wander about such places in
payment of the penalty of their former evil way of life; and they continue
to wander until the desire which haunts them is satisfied and they are
imprisoned in another body. And they may be supposed to be fixed in the
same natures which they had in their former life.
What natures do you mean, Socrates?
I mean to say that men who have followed after gluttony, and wantonness,
and drunkenness, and have had no thought of avoiding them, would pass
into asses and animals of that sort. What do you think?
I think that exceedingly probable.
And those who have chosen the portion of injustice, and tyranny, and violence,
will pass into wolves, or into hawks and kites; whither else can we suppose
them to go?
Yes, said Cebes; that is doubtless
the place of natures such as theirs. And there is no difficulty, he said,
in assigning to all of them places answering to their several natures
and propensities?
There is not, he said. Even
among them some are happier than others; and the happiest both in themselves
and their place of abode are those who have practised the civil and social
virtues which are called temperance and justice, and are acquired by habit
and attention without philosophy and mind.
Why are they the happiest?
Because they may be expected to pass into some gentle, social nature which
is like their own, such as that of bees or ants, or even back again into
the form of man, and just and moderate men spring from them.
That is not impossible. But
he who is a philosopher or lover of learning, and is entirely pure at
departing, is alone permitted to reach the gods. And this is the reason,
Simmias and Cebes, why the true votaries of philosophy abstain from all
fleshly lusts, and endure and refuse to give themselves up to them-not
because they fear poverty or the ruin of their families, like the lovers
of money, and the world in general; nor like the lovers of power and honor,
because they dread the dishonor or disgrace of evil deeds.
No, Socrates, that would not
become them, said Cebes. No, indeed, he replied; and therefore they who
have a care of their souls, and do not merely live in the fashions of
the body, say farewell to all this; they will not walk in the ways of
the blind: and when philosophy offers them purification and release from
evil, they feel that they ought not to resist her influence, and to her
they incline, and whither she leads they follow her.
What do you mean, Socrates?
I will tell you, he said. The lovers of knowledge are conscious that their
souls, when philosophy receives them, are simply fastened and glued to
their bodies: the soul is only able to view existence through the bars
of a prison, and not in her own nature; she is wallowing in the mire of
all ignorance; and philosophy, seeing the terrible nature of her confinement,
and that the captive through desire is led to conspire in her own captivity
(for the lovers of knowledge are aware that this was the original state
of the soul, and that when she was in this state philosophy received and
gently counseled her, and wanted to release her, pointing out to her that
the eye is full of deceit, and also the ear and other senses, and persuading
her to retire from them in all but the necessary use of them and to be
gathered up and collected into herself, and to trust only to herself and
her own intuitions of absolute existence, and mistrust that which comes
to her through others and is subject to vicissitude)-philosophy shows
her that this is visible and tangible, but that what she sees in her own
nature is intellectual and invisible. And the soul of the true philosopher
thinks that she ought not to resist this deliverance, and therefore abstains
from pleasures and desires and pains and fears, as far as she is able;
reflecting that when a man has great joys or sorrows or fears or desires
he suffers from them, not the sort of evil which might be anticipated-as,
for example, the loss of his health or property, which he has sacrificed
to his lusts-but he has suffered an evil greater far, which is the greatest
and worst of all evils, and one of which he never thinks.
And what is that, Socrates?
said Cebes. Why, this: When the feeling of pleasure or pain in the soul
is most intense, all of us naturally suppose that the object of this intense
feeling is then plainest and truest: but this is not the case.
Very true. And this is the
state in which the soul is most enthralled by the body.
How is that? Why, because each
pleasure and pain is a sort of nail which nails and rivets the soul to
the body, and engrosses her and makes her believe that to be true which
the body affirms to be true; and from agreeing with the body and having
the same delights she is obliged to have the same habits and ways, and
is not likely ever to be pure at her departure to the world below, but
is always saturated with the body; so that she soon sinks into another
body and there germinates and grows, and has therefore no part in the
communion of the divine and pure and simple.
That is most true, Socrates,
answered Cebes. And this, Cebes, is the reason why the true lovers of
knowledge are temperate and brave; and not for the reason which the world
gives.
Certainly not. Certainly not!
For not in that way does the soul of a philosopher reason; she will not
ask philosophy to release her in order that when released she may deliver
herself up again to the thraldom of pleasures and pains, doing a work
only to be undone again, weaving instead of unweaving her Penelope's web.
But she will make herself a calm of passion and follow Reason, and dwell
in her, beholding the true and divine (which is not matter of opinion),
and thence derive nourishment. Thus she seeks to live while she lives,
and after death she hopes to go to her own kindred and to be freed from
human ills. Never fear, Simmias and Cebes, that a soul which has been
thus nurtured and has had these pursuits, will at her departure from the
body be scattered and blown away by the winds and be nowhere and nothing.
When Socrates had done speaking,
for a considerable time there was silence; he himself and most of us appeared
to be meditating on what had been said; only Cebes and Simmias spoke a
few words to one another. And Socrates observing this asked them what
they thought of the argument, and whether there was anything wanting?
For, said he, much is still open to suspicion and attack, if anyone were
disposed to sift the matter thoroughly. If you are talking of something
else I would rather not interrupt you, but if you are still doubtful about
the argument do not hesitate to say exactly what you think, and let us
have anything better which you can suggest; and if I am likely to be of
any use, allow me to help you.
Simmias said: I must confess,
Socrates, that doubts did arise in our minds, and each of us was urging
and inciting the other to put the question which he wanted to have answered
and which neither of us liked to ask, fearing that our importunity might
be troublesome under present circumstances.
Socrates smiled and said: O
Simmias, how strange that is; I am not very likely to persuade other men
that I do not regard my present situation as a misfortune, if I am unable
to persuade you, and you will keep fancying that I am at all more troubled
now than at any other time. Will you not allow that I have as much of
the spirit of prophecy in me as the swans? For they, when they perceive
that they must die, having sung all their life long, do then sing more
than ever, rejoicing in the thought that they are about to go away to
the god whose ministers they are. But men, because they are themselves
afraid of death, slanderously affirm of the swans that they sing a lament
at the last, not considering that no bird sings when cold, or hungry,
or in pain, not even the nightingale, nor the swallow, nor yet the hoopoe;
which are said indeed to tune a lay of sorrow, although I do not believe
this to be true of them any more than of the swans. But because they are
sacred to Apollo and have the gift of prophecy and anticipate the good
things of another world, therefore they sing and rejoice in that day more
than they ever did before. And I, too, believing myself to be the consecrated
servant of the same God, and the fellow servant of the swans, and thinking
that I have received from my master gifts of prophecy which are not inferior
to theirs, would not go out of life less merrily than the swans. Cease
to mind then about this, but speak and ask anything which you like, while
the eleven magistrates of Athens allow.
Well, Socrates, said Simmias,
then I will tell you my difficulty, and Cebes will tell you his. For I
dare say that you, Socrates, feel, as I do, how very hard or almost impossible
is the attainment of any certainty about questions such as these in the
present life. And yet I should deem him a coward who did not prove what
is said about them to the uttermost, or whose heart failed him before
he had examined them on every side. For he should persevere until he has
attained one of two things: either he should discover or learn the truth
about them; or, if this is impossible, I would have him take the best
and most irrefragable of human notions, and let this be the raft upon
which he sails through life-not without risk, as I admit, if he cannot
find some word of God which will more surely and safely carry him. And
now, as you bid me, I will venture to question you, as I should not like
to reproach myself hereafter with not having said at the time what I think.
For when I consider the matter either alone or with Cebes, the argument
does certainly appear to me, Socrates, to be not sufficient.
Socrates answered: I dare say,
my friend, that you may be right, but I should like to know in what respect
the argument is not sufficient.
In this respect, replied Simmias:
Might not a person use the same argument about harmony and the lyre-might
he not say that harmony is a thing invisible, incorporeal, fair, divine,
abiding in the lyre which is harmonized, but that the lyre and the strings
are matter and material, composite, earthy, and akin to mortality? And
when someone breaks the lyre, or cuts and rends the strings, then he who
takes this view would argue as you do, and on the same analogy, that the
harmony survives and has not perished; for you cannot imagine, as we would
say, that the lyre without the strings, and the broken strings themselves,
remain, and yet that the harmony, which is of heavenly and immortal nature
and kindred, has perished-and perished too before the mortal. The harmony,
he would say, certainly exists somewhere, and the wood and strings will
decay before that decays. For I suspect, Socrates, that the notion of
the soul which we are all of us inclined to entertain, would also be yours,
and that you too would conceive the body to be strung up, and held together,
by the elements of hot and cold, wet and dry, and the like, and that the
soul is the harmony or due proportionate admixture of them. And, if this
is true, the inference clearly is that when the strings of the body are
unduly loosened or overstrained through disorder or other injury, then
the soul, though most divine, like other harmonies of music or of the
works of art, of course perishes at once, although the material remains
of the body may last for a considerable time, until they are either decayed
or burnt. Now if anyone maintained that the soul, being the harmony of
the elements of the body, first perishes in that which is called death,
how shall we answer him?
Socrates looked round at us
as his manner was, and said, with a smile: Simmias has reason on his side;
and why does not some one of you who is abler than myself answer him?
for there is force in his attack upon me. But perhaps, before we answer
him, we had better also hear what Cebes has to say against the argument-this
will give us time for reflection, and when both of them have spoken, we
may either assent to them if their words appear to be in consonance with
the truth, or if not, we may take up the other side, and argue with them.
Please to tell me then, Cebes, he said, what was the difficulty which
troubled you?
Cebes said: I will tell you.
My feeling is that the argument is still in the same position, and open
to the same objections which were urged before; for I am ready to admit
that the existence of the soul before entering into the bodily form has
been very ingeniously, and, as I may be allowed to say, quite sufficiently
proven; but the existence of the soul after death is still, in my judgment,
unproven. Now my objection is not the same as that of Simmias; for I am
not disposed to deny that the soul is stronger and more lasting than the
body, being of opinion that in all such respects the soul very far excels
the body. Well, then, says the argument to me, why do you remain unconvinced?
When you see that the weaker is still in existence after the man is dead,
will you not admit that the more lasting must also survive during the
same period of time? Now I, like Simmias, must employ a figure; and I
shall ask you to consider whether the figure is to the point. The parallel
which I will suppose is that of an old weaver, who dies, and after his
death somebody says: He is not dead, he must be alive; and he appeals
to the coat which he himself wove and wore, and which is still whole and
undecayed. And then he proceeds to ask of someone who is incredulous,
whether a man lasts longer, or the coat which is in use and wear; and
when he is answered that a man lasts far longer, thinks that he has thus
certainly demonstrated the survival of the man, who is the more lasting,
because the less lasting remains. But that, Simmias, as I would beg you
to observe, is not the truth; everyone sees that he who talks thus is
talking nonsense. For the truth is that this weaver, having worn and woven
many such coats, though he outlived several of them, was himself outlived
by the last; but this is surely very far from proving that a man is slighter
and weaker than a coat. Now the relation of the body to the soul may be
expressed in a similar figure; for you may say with reason that the soul
is lasting, and the body weak and short-lived in comparison. And every
soul may be said to wear out many bodies, especially in the course of
a long life. For if while the man is alive the body deliquesces and decays,
and yet the soul always weaves her garment anew and repairs the waste,
then of course, when the soul perishes, she must have on her last garment,
and this only will survive her; but then again when the soul is dead the
body will at last show its native weakness, and soon pass into decay.
And therefore this is an argument on which I would rather not rely as
proving that the soul exists after death. For suppose that we grant even
more than you affirm as within the range of possibility, and besides acknowledging
that the soul existed before birth admit also that after death the souls
of some are existing still, and will exist, and will be born and die again
and again, and that there is a natural strength in the soul which will
hold out and be born many times-for all this, we may be still inclined
to think that she will weary in the labors of successive births, and may
at last succumb in one of her deaths and utterly perish; and this death
and dissolution of the body which brings destruction to the soul may be
unknown to any of us, for no one of us can have had any experience of
it: and if this be true, then I say that he who is confident in death
has but a foolish confidence, unless he is able to prove that the soul
is altogether immortal and imperishable. But if he is not able to prove
this, he who is about to die will always have reason to fear that when
the body is disunited, the soul also may utterly perish.
All of us, as we afterwards
remarked to one another, had an unpleasant feeling at hearing them say
this. When we had been so firmly convinced before, now to have our faith
shaken seemed to introduce a confusion and uncertainty, not only into
the previous argument, but into any future one; either we were not good
judges, or there were no real grounds of belief.
Ech. There I feel with you-indeed
I do, Phaedo, and when you were speaking, I was beginning to ask myself
the same question: What argument can I ever trust again? For what could
be more convincing than the argument of Socrates, which has now fallen
into discredit? That the soul is a harmony is a doctrine which has always
had a wonderful attraction for me, and, when mentioned, came back to me
at once, as my own original conviction. And now I must begin again and
find another argument which will assure me that when the man is dead the
soul dies not with him. Tell me, I beg, how did Socrates proceed? Did
he appear to share the unpleasant feeling which you mention? or did he
receive the interruption calmly and give a sufficient answer? Tell us,
as exactly as you can, what passed.
Phaed. Often, Echecrates, as
I have admired Socrates, I never admired him more than at that moment.
That he should be able to answer was nothing, but what astonished me was,
first, the gentle and pleasant and approving manner in which he regarded
the words of the young men, and then his quick sense of the wound which
had been inflicted by the argument, and his ready application of the healing
art. He might be compared to a general rallying his defeated and broken
army, urging them to follow him and return to the field of argument.
Ech. How was that?
Phaed. You shall hear, for
I was close to him on his right hand, seated on a sort of stool, and he
on a couch which was a good deal higher. Now he had a way of playing with
my hair, and then he smoothed my head, and pressed the hair upon my neck,
and said: To-morrow, Phaedo, I suppose that these fair locks of yours
will be severed.
Yes, Socrates, I suppose that
they will, I replied. Not so if you will take my advice. What shall I
do with them? I said. To-day, he replied, and not to-morrow, if this argument
dies and cannot be brought to life again by us, you and I will both shave
our locks; and if I were you, and could not maintain my ground against
Simmias and Cebes, I would myself take an oath, like the Argives, not
to wear hair any more until I had renewed the conflict and defeated them.
Yes, I said, but Heracles himself
is said not to be a match for two.
Summon me then, he said, and
I will be your Iolaus until the sun goes down.
I summon you rather, I said,
not as Heracles summoning Iolaus, but as Iolaus might summon Heracles.
That will be all the same,
he said. But first let us take care that we avoid a danger.
And what is that? I said. The
danger of becoming misologists, he replied, which is one of the very worst
things that can happen to us. For as there are misanthropists or haters
of men, there are also misologists or haters of ideas, and both spring
from the same cause, which is ignorance of the world. Misanthropy arises
from the too great confidence of inexperience; you trust a man and think
him altogether true and good and faithful, and then in a little while
he turns out to be false and knavish; and then another and another, and
when this has happened several times to a man, especially within the circle
of his most trusted friends, as he deems them, and he has often quarreled
with them, he at last hates all men, and believes that no one has any
good in him at all. I dare say that you must have observed this.
Yes, I said. And is not this
discreditable? The reason is that a man, having to deal with other men,
has no knowledge of them; for if he had knowledge he would have known
the true state of the case, that few are the good and few the evil, and
that the great majority are in the interval between them.
How do you mean? I said. I
mean, he replied, as you might say of the very large and very small, that
nothing is more uncommon than a very large or a very small man; and this
applies generally to all extremes, whether of great and small, or swift
and slow, or fair and foul, or black and white: and whether the instances
you select be men or dogs or anything else, few are the extremes, but
many are in the mean between them. Did you never observe this?
Yes, I said, I have. And do
you not imagine, he said, that if there were a competition of evil, the
first in evil would be found to be very few?
Yes, that is very likely, I
said. Yes, that is very likely, he replied; not that in this respect arguments
are like men-there I was led on by you to say more than I had intended;
but the point of comparison was that when a simple man who has no skill
in dialectics believes an argument to be true which he afterwards imagines
to be false, whether really false or not, and then another and another,
he has no longer any faith left, and great disputers, as you know, come
to think, at last that they have grown to be the wisest of mankind; for
they alone perceive the utter unsoundness and instability of all arguments,
or, indeed, of all things, which, like the currents in the Euripus, are
going up and down in never-ceasing ebb and flow.
That is quite true, I said.
Yes, Phaedo, he replied, and very melancholy too, if there be such a thing
as truth or certainty or power of knowing at all, that a man should have
lighted upon some argument or other which at first seemed true and then
turned out to be false, and instead of blaming himself and his own want
of wit, because he is annoyed, should at last be too glad to transfer
the blame from himself to arguments in general; and forever afterwards
should hate and revile them, and lose the truth and knowledge of existence.
Yes, indeed, I said; that is
very melancholy. Let us, then, in the first place, he said, be careful
of admitting into our souls the notion that there is no truth or health
or soundness in any arguments at all; but let us rather say that there
is as yet no health in us, and that we must quit ourselves like men and
do our best to gain health-you and all other men with a view to the whole
of your future life, and I myself with a view to death. For at this moment
I am sensible that I have not the temper of a philosopher; like the vulgar,
I am only a partisan. For the partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute,
cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to
convince his hearers of his own assertions. And the difference between
him and me at the present moment is only this-that whereas he seeks to
convince his hearers that what he says is true, I am rather seeking to
convince myself; to convince my hearers is a secondary matter with me.
And do but see how much I gain by this. For if what I say is true, then
I do well to be persuaded of the truth, but if there be nothing after
death, still, during the short time that remains, I shall save my friends
from lamentations, and my ignorance will not last, and therefore no harm
will be done. This is the state of mind, Simmias and Cebes, in which I
approach the argument. And I would ask you to be thinking of the truth
and not of Socrates: agree with me, if I seem to you to be speaking the
truth; or if not, withstand me might and main, that I may not deceive
you as well as myself in my enthusiasm, and, like the bee, leave my sting
in you before I die.
And now let us proceed, he
said. And first of all let me be sure that I have in my mind what you
were saying. Simmias, if I remember rightly, has fears and misgivings
whether the soul, being in the form of harmony, although a fairer and
diviner thing than the body, may not perish first. On the other hand,
Cebes appeared to grant that the soul was more lasting than the body,
but he said that no one could know whether the soul, after having worn
out many bodies, might not perish herself and leave her last body behind
her; and that this is death, which is the destruction not of the body
but of the soul, for in the body the work of destruction is ever going
on. Are not these, Simmias and Cebes, the points which we have to consider?
They both agreed to this statement
of them. He proceeded: And did you deny the force of the whole preceding
argument, or of a part only?
Of a part only, they replied.
And what did you think, he said, of that part of the argument in which
we said that knowledge was recollection only, and inferred from this that
the soul must have previously existed somewhere else before she was enclosed
in the body? Cebes said that he had been wonderfully impressed by that
part of the argument, and that his conviction remained unshaken. Simmias
agreed, and added that he himself could hardly imagine the possibility
of his ever thinking differently about that.
But, rejoined Socrates, you
will have to think differently, my Theban friend, if you still maintain
that harmony is a compound, and that the soul is a harmony which is made
out of strings set in the frame of the body; for you will surely never
allow yourself to say that a harmony is prior to the elements which compose
the harmony.
No, Socrates, that is impossible.
But do you not see that you are saying this when you say that the soul
existed before she took the form and body of man, and was made up of elements
which as yet had no existence? For harmony is not a sort of thing like
the soul, as you suppose; but first the lyre, and the strings, and the
sounds exist in a state of discord, and then harmony is made last of all,
and perishes first. And how can such a notion of the soul as this agree
with the other?
Not at all, replied Simmias.
And yet, he said, there surely ought to be harmony when harmony is the
theme of discourse.
There ought, replied Simmias.
But there is no harmony, he said, in the two propositions that knowledge
is recollection, and that the soul is a harmony. Which of them, then,
will you retain?
I think, he replied, that I
have a much stronger faith, Socrates, in the first of the two, which has
been fully demonstrated to me, than in the latter, which has not been
demonstrated at all, but rests only on probable and plausible grounds;
and I know too well that these arguments from probabilities are impostors,
and unless great caution is observed in the use of them they are apt to
be deceptive-in geometry, and in other things too. But the doctrine of
knowledge and recollection has been proven to me on trustworthy grounds;
and the proof was that the soul must have existed before she came into
the body, because to her belongs the essence of which the very name implies
existence. Having, as I am convinced, rightly accepted this conclusion,
and on sufficient grounds, I must, as I suppose, cease to argue or allow
others to argue that the soul is a harmony.
Let me put the matter, Simmias,
he said, in another point of view: Do you imagine that a harmony or any
other composition can be in a state other than that of the elements out
of which it is compounded?
Certainly not. Or do or suffer
anything other than they do or suffer? He agreed. Then a harmony does
not lead the parts or elements which make up the harmony, but only follows
them.
He assented. For harmony cannot
possibly have any motion, or sound, or other quality which is opposed
to the parts.
That would be impossible, he
replied. And does not every harmony depend upon the manner in which the
elements are harmonized?
I do not understand you, he
said. I mean to say that a harmony admits of degrees, and is more of a
harmony, and more completely a harmony, when more completely harmonized,
if that be possible; and less of a harmony, and less completely a harmony,
when less harmonized.
True. But does the soul admit
of degrees? or is one soul in the very least degree more or less, or more
or less completely, a soul than another?
Not in the least. Yet surely
one soul is said to have intelligence and virtue, and to be good, and
another soul is said to have folly and vice, and to be an evil soul: and
this is said truly?
Yes, truly. But what will those
who maintain the soul to be a harmony say of this presence of virtue and
vice in the soul?-Will they say that there is another harmony, and another
discord, and that the virtuous soul is harmonized, and herself being a
harmony has another harmony within her, and that the vicious soul is inharmonical
and has no harmony within her?
I cannot say, replied Simmias;
but I suppose that something of that kind would be asserted by those who
take this view.
And the admission is already
made that no soul is more a soul than another; and this is equivalent
to admitting that harmony is not more or less harmony, or more or less
completely a harmony?
Quite true. And that which
is not more or less a harmony is not more or less harmonized?
True. And that which is not
more or less harmonized cannot have more or less of harmony, but only
an equal harmony?
Yes, an equal harmony. Then
one soul not being more or less absolutely a soul than another, is not
more or less harmonized?
Exactly. And therefore has
neither more nor less of harmony or of discord?
She has not. And having neither
more nor less of harmony or of discord, one soul has no more vice or virtue
than another, if vice be discord and virtue harmony?
Not at all more. Or speaking
more correctly, Simmias, the soul, if she is a harmony, will never have
any vice; because a harmony, being absolutely a harmony, has no part in
the inharmonical?
No. And therefore a soul which
is absolutely a soul has no vice?
How can she have, consistently
with the preceding argument?
Then, according to this, if
the souls of all animals are equally and absolutely souls, they will be
equally good?
I agree with you, Socrates,
he said. And can all this be true, think you? he said; and are all these
consequences admissible-which nevertheless seem to follow from the assumption
that the soul is a harmony?
Certainly not, he said. Once
more, he said, what ruling principle is there of human things other than
the soul, and especially the wise soul? Do you know of any?
Indeed, I do not. And is the
soul in agreement with the affections of the body? or is she at variance
with them? For example, when the body is hot and thirsty, does not the
soul incline us against drinking? and when the body is hungry, against
eating? And this is only one instance out of ten thousand of the opposition
of the soul to the things of the body.
Very true. But we have already
acknowledged that the soul, being a harmony, can never utter a note at
variance with the tensions and relaxations and vibrations and other affections
of the strings out of which she is composed; she can only follow, she
cannot lead them?
Yes, he said, we acknowledged
that, certainly. And yet do we not now discover the soul to be doing the
exact opposite-leading the elements of which she is believed to be composed;
almost always opposing and coercing them in all sorts of ways throughout
life, sometimes more violently with the pains of medicine and gymnastic;
then again more gently; threatening and also reprimanding the desires,
passions, fears, as if talking to a thing which is not herself, as Homer
in the "Odyssey" represents Odysseus doing in the words,
"He beat his breast, and thus
reproached his heart: Endure, my heart; far worse hast thou endured!"
Do you think that Homer could have written this under the idea that the
soul is a harmony capable of being led by the affections of the body,
and not rather of a nature which leads and masters them; and herself a
far diviner thing than any harmony?
Yes, Socrates, I quite agree
to that. Then, my friend, we can never be right in saying that the soul
is a harmony, for that would clearly contradict the divine Homer as well
as ourselves.
True, he said. Thus much, said
Socrates, of Harmonia, your Theban goddess, Cebes, who has not been ungracious
to us, I think; but what shall I say to the Theban Cadmus, and how shall
I propitiate him?
I think that you will discover
a way of propitiating him, said Cebes; I am sure that you have answered
the argument about harmony in a manner that I could never have expected.
For when Simmias mentioned his objection, I quite imagined that no answer
could be given to him, and therefore I was surprised at finding that his
argument could not sustain the first onset of yours; and not impossibly
the other, whom you call Cadmus, may share a similar fate.
Nay, my good friend, said Socrates,
let us not boast, lest some evil eye should put to flight the word which
I am about to speak. That, however, may be left in the hands of those
above, while I draw near in Homeric fashion, and try the mettle of your
words. Briefly, the sum of your objection is as follows: You want to have
proven to you that the soul is imperishable and immortal, and you think
that the philosopher who is confident in death has but a vain and foolish
confidence, if he thinks that he will fare better than one who has led
another sort of life, in the world below, unless he can prove this; and
you say that the demonstration of the strength and divinity of the soul,
and of her existence prior to our becoming men, does not necessarily imply
her immortality. Granting that the soul is longlived, and has known and
done much in a former state, still she is not on that account immortal;
and her entrance into the human form may be a sort of disease which is
the beginning of dissolution, and may at last, after the toils of life
are over, end in that which is called death. And whether the soul enters
into the body once only or many times, that, as you would say, makes no
difference in the fears of individuals. For any man, who is not devoid
of natural feeling, has reason to fear, if he has no knowledge or proof
of the soul's immortality. That is what I suppose you to say, Cebes, which
I designedly repeat, in order that nothing may escape us, and that you
may, if you wish, add or subtract anything.
But, said Cebes, as far as
I can see at present, I have nothing to add or subtract; you have expressed
my meaning.
Socrates paused awhile, and
seemed to be absorbed in reflection. At length he said: This is a very
serious inquiry which you are raising, Cebes, involving the whole question
of generation and corruption, about which I will, if you like, give you
my own experience; and you can apply this, if you think that anything
which I say will avail towards the solution of your difficulty.
I should very much like, said
Cebes, to hear what you have to say.
Then I will tell you, said
Socrates. When I was young, Cebes, I had a prodigious desire to know that
department of philosophy which is called Natural Science; this appeared
to me to have lofty aims, as being the science which has to do with the
causes of things, and which teaches why a thing is, and is created and
destroyed; and I was always agitating myself with the consideration of
such questions as these: Is the growth of animals the result of some decay
which the hot and cold principle contracts, as some have said? Is the
blood the element with which we think, or the air, or the fire? or perhaps
nothing of this sort-but the brain may be the originating power of the
perceptions of hearing and sight and smell, and memory and opinion may
come from them, and science may be based on memory and opinion when no
longer in motion, but at rest. And then I went on to examine the decay
of them, and then to the things of heaven and earth, and at last I concluded
that I was wholly incapable of these inquiries, as I will satisfactorily
prove to you. For I was fascinated by them to such a degree that my eyes
grew blind to things that I had seemed to myself, and also to others,
to know quite well; and I forgot what I had before thought to be self-evident,
that the growth of man is the result of eating and drinking; for when
by the digestion of food flesh is added to flesh and bone to bone, and
whenever there is an aggregation of congenial elements, the lesser bulk
becomes larger and the small man greater. Was not that a reasonable notion?
Yes, said Cebes, I think so.
Well; but let me tell you something more. There was a time when I thought
that I understood the meaning of greater and less pretty well; and when
I saw a great man standing by a little one I fancied that one was taller
than the other by a head; or one horse would appear to be greater than
another horse: and still more clearly did I seem to perceive that ten
is two more than eight, and that two cubits are more than one, because
two is twice one.
And what is now your notion
of such matters? said Cebes.
I should be far enough from
imagining, he replied, that I knew the cause of any of them, indeed I
should, for I cannot satisfy myself that when one is added to one, the
one to which the addition is made becomes two, or that the two units added
together make two by reason of the addition. For I cannot understand how,
when separated from the other, each of them was one and not two, and now,
when they are brought together, the mere juxtaposition of them can be
the cause of their becoming two: nor can I understand how the division
of one is the way to make two; for then a different cause would produce
the same effect-as in the former instance the addition and juxtaposition
of one to one was the cause of two, in this the separation and subtraction
of one from the other would be the cause. Nor am I any longer satisfied
that I understand the reason why one or anything else either is generated
or destroyed or is at all, but I have in my mind some confused notion
of another method, and can never admit this.
Then I heard someone who had
a book of Anaxagoras, as he said, out of which he read that mind was the
disposer and cause of all, and I was quite delighted at the notion of
this, which appeared admirable, and I said to myself: If mind is the disposer,
mind will dispose all for the best, and put each particular in the best
place; and I argued that if anyone desired to find out the cause of the
generation or destruction or existence of anything, he must find out what
state of being or suffering or doing was best for that thing, and therefore
a man had only to consider the best for himself and others, and then he
would also know the worse, for that the same science comprised both. And
I rejoiced to think that I had found in Anaxagoras a teacher of the causes
of existence such as I desired, and I imagined that he would tell me first
whether the earth is flat or round; and then he would further explain
the cause and the necessity of this, and would teach me the nature of
the best and show that this was best; and if he said that the earth was
in the centre, he would explain that this position was the best, and I
should be satisfied if this were shown to me, and not want any other sort
of cause. And I thought that I would then go and ask him about the sun
and moon and stars, and that he would explain to me their comparative
swiftness, and their returnings and various states, and how their several
affections, active and passive, were all for the best. For I could not
imagine that when he spoke of mind as the disposer of them, he would give
any other account of their being as they are, except that this was best;
and I thought when he had explained to me in detail the cause of each
and the cause of all, he would go on to explain to me what was best for
each and what was best for all. I had hopes which I would not have sold
for much, and I seized the books and read them as fast as I could in my
eagerness to know the better and the worse.
What hopes I had formed, and
how grievously was I disappointed! As I proceeded, I found my philosopher
altogether forsaking mind or any other principle of order, but having
recourse to air, and ether, and water, and other eccentricities. I might
compare him to a person who began by maintaining generally that mind is
the cause of the actions of Socrates, but who, when he endeavored to explain
the causes of my several actions in detail, went on to show that I sit
here because my body is made up of bones and muscles; and the bones, as
he would say, are hard and have ligaments which divide them, and the muscles
are elastic, and they cover the bones, which have also a covering or environment
of flesh and skin which contains them; and as the bones are lifted at
their joints by the contraction or relaxation of the muscles, I am able
to bend my limbs, and this is why I am sitting here in a curved posture:
that is what he would say, and he would have a similar explanation of
my talking to you, which he would attribute to sound, and air, and hearing,
and he would assign ten thousand other causes of the same sort, forgetting
to mention the true cause, which is that the Athenians have thought fit
to condemn me, and accordingly I have thought it better and more right
to remain here and undergo my sentence; for I am inclined to think that
these muscles and bones of mine would have gone off to Megara or Boeotia-by
the dog of Egypt they would, if they had been guided only by their own
idea of what was best, and if I had not chosen as the better and nobler
part, instead of playing truant and running away, to undergo any punishment
which the State inflicts. There is surely a strange confusion of causes
and conditions in all this. It may be said, indeed, that without bones
and muscles and the other parts of the body I cannot execute my purposes.
But to say that I do as I do because of them, and that this is the way
in which mind acts, and not from the choice of the best, is a very careless
and idle mode of speaking. I wonder that they cannot distinguish the cause
from the condition, which the many, feeling about in the dark, are always
mistaking and misnaming. And thus one man makes a vortex all round and
steadies the earth by the heaven; another gives the air as a support to
the earth, which is a sort of broad trough. Any power which in disposing
them as they are disposes them for the best never enters into their minds,
nor do they imagine that there is any superhuman strength in that; they
rather expect to find another Atlas of the world who is stronger and more
everlasting and more containing than the good is, and are clearly of opinion
that the obligatory and containing power of the good is as nothing; and
yet this is the principle which I would fain learn if anyone would teach
me. But as I have failed either to discover myself or to learn of anyone
else, the nature of the best, I will exhibit to you, if you like, what
I have found to be the second best mode of inquiring into the cause.
I should very much like to
hear that, he replied. Socrates proceeded: I thought that as I had failed
in the contemplation of true existence, I ought to be careful that I did
not lose the eye of my soul; as people may injure their bodily eye by
observing and gazing on the sun during an eclipse, unless they take the
precaution of only looking at the image reflected in the water, or in
some similar medium. That occurred to me, and I was afraid that my soul
might be blinded altogether if I looked at things with my eyes or tried
by the help of the senses to apprehend them. And I thought that I had
better have recourse to ideas, and seek in them the truth of existence.
I dare say that the simile is not perfect-for I am very far from admitting
that he who contemplates existence through the medium of ideas, sees them
only "through a glass darkly," any more than he who sees them in their
working and effects. However, this was the method which I adopted: I first
assumed some principle which I judged to be the strongest, and then I
affirmed as true whatever seemed to agree with this, whether relating
to the cause or to anything else; and that which disagreed I regarded
as untrue. But I should like to explain my meaning clearly, as I do not
think that you understand me.
No, indeed, replied Cebes,
not very well. There is nothing new, he said, in what I am about to tell
you; but only what I have been always and everywhere repeating in the
previous discussion and on other occasions: I want to show you the nature
of that cause which has occupied my thoughts, and I shall have to go back
to those familiar words which are in the mouth of everyone, and first
of all assume that there is an absolute beauty and goodness and greatness,
and the like; grant me this, and I hope to be able to show you the nature
of the cause, and to prove the immortality of the soul.
Cebes said: You may proceed
at once with the proof, as I readily grant you this.
Well, he said, then I should
like to know whether you agree with me in the next step; for I cannot
help thinking that if there be anything beautiful other than absolute
beauty, that can only be beautiful in as far as it partakes of absolute
beauty-and this I should say of everything. Do you agree in this notion
of the cause?
Yes, he said, I agree. He proceeded:
I know nothing and can understand nothing of any other of those wise causes
which are alleged; and if a person says to me that the bloom of color,
or form, or anything else of that sort is a source of beauty, I leave
all that, which is only confusing to me, and simply and singly, and perhaps
foolishly, hold and am assured in my own mind that nothing makes a thing
beautiful but the presence and participation of beauty in whatever way
or manner obtained; for as to the manner I am uncertain, but I stoutly
contend that by beauty all beautiful things become beautiful. That appears
to me to be the only safe answer that I can give, either to myself or
to any other, and to that I cling, in the persuasion that I shall never
be overthrown, and that I may safely answer to myself or any other that
by beauty beautiful things become beautiful. Do you not agree to that?
Yes, I agree. And that by greatness
only great things become great and greater greater, and by smallness the
less becomes less.
True. Then if a person remarks
that A is taller by a head than B, and B less by a head than A, you would
refuse to admit this, and would stoutly contend that what you mean is
only that the greater is greater by, and by reason of, greatness, and
the less is less only by, or by reason of, smallness; and thus you would
avoid the danger of saying that the greater is greater and the less by
the measure of the head, which is the same in both, and would also avoid
the monstrous absurdity of supposing that the greater man is greater by
reason of the head, which is small. Would you not be afraid of that?
Indeed, I should, said Cebes,
laughing. In like manner you would be afraid to say that ten exceeded
eight by, and by reason of, two; but would say by, and by reason of, number;
or that two cubits exceed one cubit not by a half, but by magnitude?-that
is what you would say, for there is the same danger in both cases.
Very true, he said. Again,
would you not be cautious of affirming that the addition of one to one,
or the division of one, is the cause of two? And you would loudly asseverate
that you know of no way in which anything comes into existence except
by participation in its own proper essence, and consequently, as far as
you know, the only cause of two is the participation in duality; that
is the way to make two, and the participation in one is the way to make
one. You would say: I will let alone puzzles of division and addition-wiser
heads than mine may answer them; inexperienced as I am, and ready to start,
as the proverb says, at my own shadow, I cannot afford to give up the
sure ground of a principle. And if anyone assails you there, you would
not mind him, or answer him until you had seen whether the consequences
which follow agree with one another or not, and when you are further required
to give an explanation of this principle, you would go on to assume a
higher principle, and the best of the higher ones, until you found a resting-place;
but you would not refuse the principle and the consequences in your reasoning
like the Eristics-at least if you wanted to discover real existence. Not
that this confusion signifies to them who never care or think about the
matter at all, for they have the wit to be well pleased with themselves,
however great may be the turmoil of their ideas. But you, if you are a
philosopher, will, I believe, do as I say.
What you say is most true,
said Simmias and Cebes, both speaking at once.
Ech. Yes, Phaedo; and I don't
wonder at their assenting. Anyone who has the least sense will acknowledge
the wonderful clear. of Socrates' reasoning.
Phaed. Certainly, Echecrates;
and that was the feeling of the whole company at the time.
Ech. Yes, and equally of ourselves,
who were not of the company, and are now listening to your recital. But
what followed?
Phaedo. After all this was
admitted, and they had agreed about the existence of ideas and the participation
in them of the other things which derive their names from them, Socrates,
if I remember rightly, said:-
This is your way of speaking;
and yet when you say that Simmias is greater than Socrates and less than
Phaedo, do you not predicate of Simmias both greatness and smallness?
Yes, I do. But still you allow
that Simmias does not really exceed Socrates, as the words may seem to
imply, because he is Simmias, but by reason of the size which he has;
just as Simmias does not exceed Socrates because he is Simmias, any more
than because Socrates is Socrates, but because he has smallness when compared
with the greatness of Simmias?
True. And if Phaedo exceeds
him in size, that is not because Phaedo is Phaedo, but because Phaedo
has greatness relatively to Simmias, who is comparatively smaller?
That is true. And therefore
Simmias is said to be great, and is also said to be small, because he
is in a mean between them, exceeding the smallness of the one by his greatness,
and allowing the greatness of the other to exceed his smallness. He added,
laughing, I am speaking like a book, but I believe that what I am now
saying is true.
Simmias assented to this. The
reason why I say this is that I want you to agree with me in thinking,
not only that absolute greatness will never be great and also small, but
that greatness in us or in the concrete will never admit the small or
admit of being exceeded: instead of this, one of two things will happen-either
the greater will fly or retire before the opposite, which is the less,
or at the advance of the less will cease to exist; but will not, if allowing
or admitting smallness, be changed by that; even as I, having received
and admitted smallness when compared with Simmias, remain just as I was,
and am the same small person. And as the idea of greatness cannot condescend
ever to be or become small, in like manner the smallness in us cannot
be or become great; nor can any other opposite which remains the same
ever be or become its own opposite, but either passes away or perishes
in the change.
That, replied Cebes, is quite
my notion. One of the company, though I do not exactly remember which
of them, on hearing this, said: By Heaven, is not this the direct contrary
of what was admitted before-that out of the greater came the less and
out of the less the greater, and that opposites are simply generated from
opposites; whereas now this seems to be utterly denied.
Socrates inclined his head
to the speaker and listened. I like your courage, he said, in reminding
us of this. But you do not observe that there is a difference in the two
cases. For then we were speaking of opposites in the concrete, and now
of the essential opposite which, as is affirmed, neither in us nor in
nature can ever be at variance with itself: then, my friend, we were speaking
of things in which opposites are inherent and which are called after them,
but now about the opposites which are inherent in them and which give
their name to them; these essential opposites will never, as we maintain,
admit of generation into or out of one another. At the same time, turning
to Cebes, he said: Were you at all disconcerted, Cebes, at our friend's
objection?
That was not my feeling, said
Cebes; and yet I cannot deny that I am apt to be disconcerted.
Then we are agreed after all,
said Socrates, that the opposite will never in any case be opposed to
itself?
To that we are quite agreed,
he replied. Yet once more let me ask you to consider the question from
another point of view, and see whether you agree with me: There is a thing
which you term heat, and another thing which you term cold?
Certainly. But are they the
same as fire and snow? Most assuredly not. Heat is not the same as fire,
nor is cold the same as snow?
No. And yet you will surely
admit that when snow, as before said, is under the influence of heat,
they will not remain snow and heat; but at the advance of the heat the
snow will either retire or perish?
Very true, he replied. And
the fire too at the advance of the cold will either retire or perish;
and when the fire is under the influence of the cold, they will not remain,
as before, fire and cold.
That is true, he said. And
in some cases the name of the idea is not confined to the idea; but anything
else which, not being the idea, exists only in the form of the idea, may
also lay claim to it. I will try to make this clearer by an example: The
odd number is always called by the name of odd?
Very true. But is this the
only thing which is called odd? Are there not other things which have
their own name, and yet are called odd, because, although not the same
as oddness, they are never without oddness?-that is what I mean to ask-whether
numbers such as the number three are not of the class of odd. And there
are many other examples: would you not say, for example, that three may
be called by its proper name, and also be called odd, which is not the
same with three? and this may be said not only of three but also of five,
and every alternate number-each of them without being oddness is odd,
and in the same way two and four, and the whole series of alternate numbers,
has every number even, without being evenness. Do you admit that?
Yes, he said, how can I deny
that? Then now mark the point at which I am aiming: not only do essential
opposites exclude one another, but also concrete things, which, although
not in themselves opposed, contain opposites; these, I say, also reject
the idea which is opposed to that which is contained in them, and at the
advance of that they either perish or withdraw. There is the number three
for example; will not that endure annihilation or anything sooner than
be converted into an even number, remaining three?
Very true, said Cebes. And
yet, he said, the number two is certainly not opposed to the number three?
It is not. Then not only do
opposite ideas repel the advance of one another, but also there are other
things which repel the approach of opposites.
That is quite true, he said.
Suppose, he said, that we endeavor, if possible, to determine what these
are.
By all means. Are they not,
Cebes, such as compel the things of which they have possession, not only
to take their own form, but also the form of some opposite?
What do you mean? I mean, as
I was just now saying, and have no need to repeat to you, that those things
which are possessed by the number three must not only be three in number,
but must also be odd.
Quite true. And on this oddness,
of which the number three has the impress, the opposite idea will never
intrude?
No. And this impress was given
by the odd principle? Yes. And to the odd is opposed the even? True. Then
the idea of the even number will never arrive at three?
No. Then three has no part
in the even? None. Then the triad or number three is uneven? Very true.
To return then to my distinction of natures which are not opposites, and
yet do not admit opposites: as, in this instance, three, although not
opposed to the even, does not any the more admit of the even, but always
brings the opposite into play on the other side; or as two does not receive
the odd, or fire the cold-from these examples (and there are many more
of them) perhaps you may be able to arrive at the general conclusion that
not only opposites will not receive opposites, but also that nothing which
brings the opposite will admit the opposite of that which it brings in
that to which it is brought. And here let me recapitulate-for there is
no harm in repetition. The number five will not admit the nature of the
even, any more than ten, which is the double of five, will admit the nature
of the odd-the double, though not strictly opposed to the odd, rejects
the odd altogether. Nor again will parts in the ratio of 3:2, nor any
fraction in which there is a half, nor again in which there is a third,
admit the notion of the whole, although they are not opposed to the whole.
You will agree to that?
How does Socrates use the
Forms or Ideas as causes of individual, visible things?
Yes, he said, I entirely agree
and go along with you in that.
And now, he said, I think that
I may begin again; and to the question which I am about to ask I will
beg you to give not the old safe answer, but another, of which I will
offer you an example; and I hope that you will find in what has been just
said another foundation which is as safe. I mean that if anyone asks you
"what that is, the inherence of which makes the body hot," you will reply
not heat (this is what I call the safe and stupid answer), but fire, a
far better answer, which we are now in a condition to give. Or if anyone
asks you "why a body is diseased," you will not say from disease, but
from fever; and instead of saying that oddness is the cause of odd numbers,
you will say that the monad is the cause of them: and so of things in
general, as I dare say that you will understand sufficiently without my
adducing any further examples.
Yes, he said, I quite understand
you. Tell me, then, what is that the inherence of which will render the
body alive?
The soul, he replied. And is
this always the case? Yes, he said, of course. Then whatever the soul
possesses, to that she comes bearing life?
Yes, certainly. And is there
any opposite to life? There is, he said. And what is that? Death. Then
the soul, as has been acknowledged, will never receive the opposite of
what she brings. And now, he said, what did we call that principle which
repels the even?
The odd. And that principle
which repels the musical, or the just?
The unmusical, he said, and
the unjust. And what do we call the principle which does not admit of
death?
The immortal, he said. And
does the soul admit of death? No. Then the soul is immortal? Yes, he said.
And may we say that this is proven? Yes, abundantly proven, Socrates,
he replied. And supposing that the odd were imperishable, must not three
be imperishable?
Of course. And if that which
is cold were imperishable, when the warm principle came attacking the
snow, must not the snow have retired whole and unmelted-for it could never
have perished, nor could it have remained and admitted the heat?
True, he said. Again, if the
uncooling or warm principle were imperishable, the fire when assailed
by cold would not have perished or have been extinguished, but would have
gone away unaffected?
Certainly, he said. And the
same may be said of the immortal: if the immortal is also imperishable,
the soul when attacked by death cannot perish; for the preceding argument
shows that the soul will not admit of death, or ever be dead, any more
than three or the odd number will admit of the even, or fire or the heat
in the fire, of the cold. Yet a person may say: "But although the odd
will not become even at the approach of the even, why may not the odd
perish and the even take the place of the odd?" Now to him who makes this
objection, we cannot answer that the odd principle is imperishable; for
this has not been acknowledged, but if this had been acknowledged, there
would have been no difficulty in contending that at the approach of the
even the odd principle and the number three took up their departure; and
the same argument would have held good of fire and heat and any other
thing.
Very true. And the same may
be said of the immortal: if the immortal is also imperishable, then the
soul will be imperishable as well as immortal; but if not, some other
proof of her imperishableness will have to be given.
No other proof is needed, he
said; for if the immortal, being eternal, is liable to perish, then nothing
is imperishable.
Yes, replied Socrates, all
men will agree that God, and the essential form of life, and the immortal
in general, will never perish.
Yes, all men, he said-that
is true; and what is more, gods, if I am not mistaken, as well as men.
Seeing then that the immortal
is indestructible, must not the soul, if she is immortal, be also imperishable?
Most certainly. Then when death
attacks a man, the mortal portion of him may be supposed to die, but the
immortal goes out of the way of death and is preserved safe and sound?
True. Then, Cebes, beyond question
the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist
in another world!
I am convinced, Socrates, said
Cebes, and have nothing more to object; but if my friend Simmias, or anyone
else, has any further objection, he had better speak out, and not keep
silence, since I do not know how there can ever be a more fitting time
to which he can defer the discussion, if there is anything which he wants
to say or have said.
But I have nothing more to
say, replied Simmias; nor do I see any room for uncertainty, except that
which arises necessarily out of the greatness of the subject and the feebleness
of man, and which I cannot help feeling.
Yes, Simmias, replied Socrates,
that is well said: and more than that, first principles, even if they
appear certain, should be carefully considered; and when they are satisfactorily
ascertained, then, with a sort of hesitating confidence in human reason,
you may, I think, follow the course of the argument; and if this is clear,
there will be no need for any further inquiry.
That, he said, is true. But
then, O my friends, he said, if the soul is really immortal, what care
should be taken of her, not only in respect of the portion of time which
is called life, but of eternity! And the danger of neglecting her from
this point of view does indeed appear to be awful. If death had only been
the end of all, the wicked would have had a good bargain in dying, for
they would have been happily quit not only of their body, but of their
own evil together with their souls. But now, as the soul plainly appears
to be immortal, there is no release or salvation from evil except the
attainment of the highest virtue and wisdom. For the soul when on her
progress to the world below takes nothing with her but nurture and education;
which are indeed said greatly to benefit or greatly to injure the departed,
at the very beginning of its pilgrimage in the other world.
For after death, as they say,
the genius of each individual, to whom he belonged in life, leads him
to a certain place in which the dead are gathered together for judgment,
whence they go into the world below, following the guide who is appointed
to conduct them from this world to the other: and when they have there
received their due and remained their time, another guide brings them
back again after many revolutions of ages. Now this journey to the other
world is not, as Aeschylus says in the "Telephus," a single and straight
path-no guide would be wanted for that, and no one could miss a single
path; but there are many partings of the road, and windings, as I must
infer from the rites and sacrifices which are offered to the gods below
in places where three ways meet on earth. The wise and orderly soul is
conscious of her situation and follows in the path; but the soul which
desires the body, and which, as I was relating before, has long been fluttering
about the lifeless frame and the world of sight, is after many struggles
and many sufferings hardly and with violence carried away by her attendant
genius, and when she arrives at the place where the other souls are gathered,
if she be impure and have done impure deeds, or been concerned in foul
murders or other crimes which are the brothers of these, and the works
of brothers in crime-from that soul everyone flees and turns away; no
one will be her companion, no one her guide, but alone she wanders in
extremity of evil until certain times are fulfilled, and when they are
fulfilled, she is borne irresistibly to her own fitting habitation; as
every pure and just soul which has passed through life in the company
and under the guidance of the gods has also her own proper home.
Now the earth has divers wonderful
regions, and is indeed in nature and extent very unlike the notions of
geographers, as I believe on the authority of one who shall be nameless.
What do you mean, Socrates?
said Simmias. I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but
I do not know in what you are putting your faith, and I should like to
know.
Well, Simmias, replied Socrates,
the recital of a tale does not, I think, require the art of Glaucus; and
I know not that the art of Glaucus could prove the truth of my tale, which
I myself should never be able to prove, and even if I could, I fear, Simmias,
that my life would come to an end before the argument was completed. I
may describe to you, however, the form and regions of the earth according
to my conception of them.
That, said Simmias, will be
enough. Well, then, he said, my conviction is that the earth is a round
body in the center of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or
any similar force as a support, but is kept there and hindered from falling
or inclining any way by the equability of the surrounding heaven and by
her own equipoise. For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center
of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree,
but will always remain in the same state and not deviate. And this is
my first notion.
Which is surely a correct one,
said Simmias. Also I believe that the earth is very vast, and that we
who dwell in the region extending from the river Phasis to the Pillars
of Heracles, along the borders of the sea, are just like ants or frogs
about a marsh, and inhabit a small portion only, and that many others
dwell in many like places. For I should say that in all parts of the earth
there are hollows of various forms and sizes, into which the water and
the mist and the air collect; and that the true earth is pure and in the
pure heaven, in which also are the stars-that is the heaven which is commonly
spoken of as the ether, of which this is but the sediment collecting in
the hollows of the earth. But we who live in these hollows are deceived
into the notion that we are dwelling above on the surface of the earth;
which is just as if a creature who was at the bottom of the sea were to
fancy that he was on the surface of the water, and that the sea was the
heaven through which he saw the sun and the other stars-he having never
come to the surface by reason of his feebleness and sluggishness, and
having never lifted up his head and seen, nor ever heard from one who
had seen, this region which is so much purer and fairer than his own.
Now this is exactly our case: for we are dwelling in a hollow of the earth,
and fancy that we are on the surface; and the air we call the heaven,
and in this we imagine that the stars move. But this is also owing to
our feebleness and sluggishness, which prevent our reaching the surface
of the air: for if any man could arrive at the exterior limit, or take
the wings of a bird and fly upward, like a fish who puts his head out
and sees this world, he would see a world beyond; and, if the nature of
man could sustain the sight, he would acknowledge that this was the place
of the true heaven and the true light and the true stars. For this earth,
and the stones, and the entire region which surrounds us, are spoilt and
corroded, like the things in the sea which are corroded by the brine;
for in the sea too there is hardly any noble or perfect growth, but clefts
only, and sand, and an endless slough of mud: and even the shore is not
to be compared to the fairer sights of this world. And greater far is
the superiority of the other. Now of that upper earth which is under the
heaven, I can tell you a charming tale, Simmias, which is well worth hearing.
And we, Socrates, replied Simmias,
shall be charmed to listen.
The tale, my friend, he said,
is as follows: In the first place, the earth, when looked at from above,
is like one of those balls which have leather coverings in twelve pieces,
and is of divers colors, of which the colors which painters use on earth
are only a sample. But there the whole earth is made up of them, and they
are brighter far and clearer than ours; there is a purple of wonderful
luster, also the radiance of gold, and the white which is in the earth
is whiter than any chalk or snow. Of these and other colors the earth
is made up, and they are more in number and fairer than the eye of man
has ever seen; and the very hollows (of which I was speaking) filled with
air and water are seen like light flashing amid the other colors, and
have a color of their own, which gives a sort of unity to the variety
of earth. And in this fair region everything that grows-trees, and flowers,
and fruits-is in a like degree fairer than any here; and there are hills,
and stones in them in a like degree smoother, and more transparent, and
fairer in color than our highly valued emeralds and sardonyxes and jaspers,
and other gems, which are but minute fragments of them: for there all
the stones are like our precious stones, and fairer still. The reason
of this is that they are pure, and not, like our precious stones, infected
or corroded by the corrupt briny elements which coagulate among us, and
which breed foulness and disease both in earth and stones, as well as
in animals and plants. They are the jewels of the upper earth, which also
shines with gold and silver and the like, and they are visible to sight
and large and abundant and found in every region of the earth, and blessed
is he who sees them. And upon the earth are animals and men, some in a
middle region, others dwelling about the air as we dwell about the sea;
others in islands which the air flows round, near the continent: and in
a word, the air is used by them as the water and the sea are by us, and
the ether is to them what the air is to us. Moreover, the temperament
of their seasons is such that they have no disease, and live much longer
than we do, and have sight and hearing and smell, and all the other senses,
in far greater perfection, in the same degree that air is purer than water
or the ether than air. Also they have temples and sacred places in which
the gods really dwell, and they hear their voices and receive their answers,
and are conscious of them and hold converse with them, and they see the
sun, moon, and stars as they really are, and their other blessedness is
of a piece with this.
Such is the nature of the whole
earth, and of the things which are around the earth; and there are divers
regions in the hollows on the face of the globe everywhere, some of them
deeper and also wider than that which we inhabit, others deeper and with
a narrower opening than ours, and some are shallower and wider; all have
numerous perforations, and passages broad and narrow in the interior of
the earth, connecting them with one another; and there flows into and
out of them, as into basins, a vast tide of water, and huge subterranean
streams of perennial rivers, and springs hot and cold, and a great fire,
and great rivers of fire, and streams of liquid mud, thin or thick (like
the rivers of mud in Sicily, and the lava-streams which follow them),
and the regions about which they happen to flow are filled up with them.
And there is a sort of swing in the interior of the earth which moves
all this up and down. Now the swing is in this wise: There is a chasm
which is the vastest of them all, and pierces right through the whole
earth; this is that which Homer describes in the words,
"Far off, where is the inmost
depth beneath the earth"; and which he in other places, and many other
poets, have called Tartarus. And the swing is caused by the streams flowing
into and out of this chasm, and they each have the nature of the soil
through which they flow. And the reason why the streams are always flowing
in and out is that the watery element has no bed or bottom, and is surging
and swinging up and down, and the surrounding wind and air do the same;
they follow the water up and down, hither and thither, over the earth-just
as in respiring the air is always in process of inhalation and exhalation;
and the wind swinging with the water in and out produces fearful and irresistible
blasts: when the waters retire with a rush into the lower parts of the
earth, as they are called, they flow through the earth into those regions,
and fill them up as with the alternate motion of a pump, and then when
they leave those regions and rush back hither, they again fill the hollows
here, and when these are filled, flow through subterranean channels and
find their way to their several places, forming seas, and lakes, and rivers,
and springs. Thence they again enter the earth, some of them making a
long circuit into many lands, others going to few places and those not
distant, and again fall into Tartarus, some at a point a good deal lower
than that at which they rose, and others not much lower, but all in some
degree lower than the point of issue. And some burst forth again on the
opposite side, and some on the same side, and some wind round the earth
with one or many folds, like the coils of a serpent, and descend as far
as they can, but always return and fall into the lake. The rivers on either
side can descend only to the center and no further, for to the rivers
on both sides the opposite side is a precipice.
Now these rivers are many,
and mighty, and diverse, and there are four principal ones, of which the
greatest and outermost is that called Oceanus, which flows round the earth
in a circle; and in the opposite direction flows Acheron, which passes
under the earth through desert places, into the Acherusian Lake: this
is the lake to the shores of which the souls of the many go when they
are dead, and after waiting an appointed time, which is to some a longer
and to some a shorter time, they are sent back again to be born as animals.
The third river rises between the two, and near the place of rising pours
into a vast region of fire, and forms a lake larger than the Mediterranean
Sea, boiling with water and mud; and proceeding muddy and turbid, and
winding about the earth, comes, among other places, to the extremities
of the Acherusian Lake, but mingles not with the waters of the lake, and
after making many coils about the earth plunges into Tartarus at a deeper
level. This is that Pyriphlegethon, as the stream is called, which throws
up jets of fire in all sorts of places. The fourth river goes out on the
opposite side, and falls first of all into a wild and savage region, which
is all of a dark-blue color, like lapis lazuli; and this is that river
which is called the Stygian River, and falls into and forms the Lake Styx,
and after falling into the lake and receiving strange powers in the waters,
passes under the earth, winding round in the opposite direction to Pyriphlegethon,
and meeting in the Acherusian Lake from the opposite side. And the water
of this river too mingles with no other, but flows round in a circle and
falls into Tartarus over against Pyriphlegethon, and the name of this
river, as the poet says, is Cocytus.
Such is the name of the other
world; and when the dead arrive at the place to which the genius of each
severally conveys them, first of all they have sentence passed upon them,
as they have lived well and piously or not. And those who appear to have
lived neither well nor ill, go to the river Acheron, and mount such conveyances
as they can get, and are carried in them to the lake, and there they dwell
and are purified of their evil deeds, and suffer the penalty of the wrongs
which they have done to others, and are absolved, and receive the rewards
of their good deeds according to their deserts. But those who appear to
be incurable by reason of the greatness of their crimes-who have committed
many and terrible deeds of sacrilege, murders foul and violent, or the
like-such are hurled into Tartarus, which is their suitable destiny, and
they never come out. Those again who have committed crimes, which, although
great, are not unpardonable-who in a moment of anger, for example, have
done violence to a father or mother, and have repented for the remainder
of their lives, or who have taken the life of another under like extenuating
circumstances-these are plunged into Tartarus, the pains of which they
are compelled to undergo for a year, but at the end of the year the wave
casts them forth-mere homicides by way of Cocytus, parricides and matricides
by Pyriphlegethon-and they are borne to the Acherusian Lake, and there
they lift up their voices and call upon the victims whom they have slain
or wronged, to have pity on them, and to receive them, and to let them
come out of the river into the lake. And if they prevail, then they come
forth and cease from their troubles; but if not, they are carried back
again into Tartarus and from thence into the rivers unceasingly, until
they obtain mercy from those whom they have wronged: for that is the sentence
inflicted upon them by their judges. Those also who are remarkable for
having led holy lives are released from this earthly prison, and go to
their pure home which is above, and dwell in the purer earth; and those
who have duly purified themselves with philosophy live henceforth altogether
without the body, in mansions fairer far than these, which may not be
described, and of which the time would fail me to tell.
Wherefore, Simmias, seeing
all these things, what ought not we to do in order to obtain virtue and
wisdom in this life? Fair is the prize, and the hope great.
I do not mean to affirm that
the description which I have given of the soul and her mansions is exactly
true-a man of sense ought hardly to say that. But I do say that, inasmuch
as the soul is shown to be immortal, he may venture to think, not improperly
or unworthily, that something of the kind is true. The venture is a glorious
one, and he ought to comfort himself with words like these, which is the
reason why lengthen out the tale. Wherefore, I say, let a man be of good
cheer about his soul, who has cast away the pleasures and ornaments of
the body as alien to him, and rather hurtful in their effects, and has
followed after the pleasures of knowledge in this life; who has adorned
the soul in her own proper jewels, which are temperance, and justice,
and courage, and nobility, and truth-in these arrayed she is ready to
go on her journey to the world below, when her time comes. You, Simmias
and Cebes, and all other men, will depart at some time or other. Me already,
as the tragic poet would say, the voice of fate calls. Soon I must drink
the poison; and I think that I had better repair to the bath first, in
order that the women may not have the trouble of washing my body after
I am dead.
When he had done speaking,
Crito said: And have you any commands for us, Socrates-anything to say
about your children, or any other matter in which we can serve you?
Nothing particular, he said:
only, as I have always told you, I would have you look to yourselves;
that is a service which you may always be doing to me and mine as well
as to yourselves. And you need not make professions; for if you take no
thought for yourselves, and walk not according to the precepts which I
have given you, not now for the first time, the warmth of your professions
will be of no avail.
We will do our best, said Crito.
But in what way would you have us bury you?
In any way that you like; only
you must get hold of me, and take care that I do not walk away from you.
Then he turned to us, and added with a smile: I cannot make Crito believe
that I am the same Socrates who have been talking and conducting the argument;
he fancies that I am the other Socrates whom he will soon see, a dead
body-and he asks, How shall he bury me? And though I have spoken many
words in the endeavor to show that when I have drunk the poison I shall
leave you and go to the joys of the blessed-these words of mine, with
which I comforted you and myself, have had, I perceive, no effect upon
Crito. And therefore I want you to be surety for me now, as he was surety
for me at the trial: but let the promise be of another sort; for he was
my surety to the judges that I would remain, but you must be my surety
to him that I shall not remain, but go away and depart; and then he will
suffer less at my death, and not be grieved when he sees my body being
burned or buried. I would not have him sorrow at my hard lot, or say at
the burial, Thus we lay out Socrates, or, Thus we follow him to the grave
or bury him; for false words are not only evil in themselves, but they
infect the soul with evil. Be of good cheer, then, my dear Crito, and
say that you are burying my body only, and do with that as is usual, and
as you think best.
When he had spoken these words,
he arose and went into the bath chamber with Crito, who bade us wait;
and we waited, talking and thinking of the subject of discourse, and also
of the greatness of our sorrow; he was like a father of whom we were being
bereaved, and we were about to pass the rest of our lives as orphans.
When he had taken the bath his children were brought to him-(he had two
young sons and an elder one); and the women of his family also came, and
he talked to them and gave them a few directions in the presence of Crito;
and he then dismissed them and returned to us.
Now the hour of sunset was
near, for a good deal of time had passed while he was within. When he
came out, he sat down with us again after his bath, but not much was said.
Soon the jailer, who was the servant of the Eleven, entered and stood
by him, saying: To you, Socrates, whom I know to be the noblest and gentlest
and best of all who ever came to this place, I will not impute the angry
feelings of other men, who rage and swear at me when, in obedience to
the authorities, I bid them drink the poison-indeed, I am sure that you
will not be angry with me; for others, as you are aware, and not I, are
the guilty cause. And so fare you well, and try to bear lightly what must
needs be; you know my errand. Then bursting into tears he turned away
and went out.
Socrates looked at him and
said: I return your good wishes, and will do as you bid. Then, turning
to us, he said, How charming the man is: since I have been in prison he
has always been coming to see me, and at times he would talk to me, and
was as good as could be to me, and now see how generously he sorrows for
me. But we must do as he says, Crito; let the cup be brought, if the poison
is prepared: if not, let the attendant prepare some.
Yet, said Crito, the sun is
still upon the hilltops, and many a one has taken the draught late, and
after the announcement has been made to him, he has eaten and drunk, and
indulged in sensual delights; do not hasten then, there is still time.
Socrates said: Yes, Crito,
and they of whom you speak are right in doing thus, for they think that
they will gain by the delay; but I am right in not doing thus, for I do
not think that I should gain anything by drinking the poison a little
later; I should be sparing and saving a life which is already gone: I
could only laugh at myself for this. Please then to do as I say, and not
to refuse me.
Crito, when he heard this,
made a sign to the servant, and the servant went in, and remained for
some time, and then returned with the jailer carrying a cup of poison.
Socrates said: You, my good friend, who are experienced in these matters,
shall give me directions how I am to proceed. The man answered: You have
only to walk about until your legs are heavy, and then to lie down, and
the poison will act. At the same time he handed the cup to Socrates, who
in the easiest and gentlest manner, without the least fear or change of
color or feature, looking at the man with all his eyes, Echecrates, as
his manner was, took the cup and said: What do you say about making a
libation out of this cup to any god? May I, or not? The man answered:
We only prepare, Socrates, just so much as we deem enough. I understand,
he said: yet I may and must pray to the gods to prosper my journey from
this to that other world-may this, then, which is my prayer, be granted
to me. Then holding the cup to his lips, quite readily and cheerfully
he drank off the poison. And hitherto most of us had been able to control
our sorrow; but now when we saw him drinking, and saw too that he had
finished the draught, we could no longer forbear, and in spite of myself
my own tears were flowing fast; so that I covered my face and wept over
myself, for certainly I was not weeping over him, but at the thought of
my own calamity in having lost such a companion. Nor was I the first,
for Crito, when he found himself unable to restrain his tears, had got
up and moved away, and I followed; and at that moment. Apollodorus, who
had been weeping all the time, broke out in a loud cry which made cowards
of us all. Socrates alone retained his calmness: What is this strange
outcry? he said. I sent away the women mainly in order that they might
not offend in this way, for I have heard that a man should die in peace.
Be quiet, then, and have patience.
When we heard that, we were
ashamed, and refrained our tears; and he walked about until, as he said,
his legs began to fail, and then he lay on his back, according to the
directions, and the man who gave him the poison now and then looked at
his feet and legs; and after a while he pressed his foot hard and asked
him if he could feel; and he said, no; and then his leg, and so upwards
and upwards, and showed us that he was cold and stiff. And he felt them
himself, and said: When the poison reaches the heart, that will be the
end. He was beginning to grow cold about the groin, when he uncovered
his face, for he had covered himself up, and said (they were his last
words)-he said: Crito, I owe a cock to Asclepius; will you remember to
pay the debt? The debt shall be paid, said Crito; is there anything else?
There was no answer to this question; but in a minute or two a movement
was heard, and the attendants uncovered him; his eyes were set, and Crito
closed his eyes and mouth.
Such was the end, Echecrates,
of our friend, whom I may truly call the wisest, and justest, and best
of all the men whom I have ever known.
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